Settlement house 1954 - complete renovation possible?

  • Erstellt am 2019-08-22 22:09:53

apokolok

2019-11-14 15:45:28
  • #1
Pharmacy prices.
Electrical works can also be done for half, the heating is obviously a joke.
30k windows in a small settlement house ops: With gold inlay?
No no, honestly, away with the architect.
I also find it exaggerated to hire an architect for all service phases in a core renovation like this.
Basically, you only need the KFW stuff, the rest you can plan yourself with the craftsmen.
 

Tassimat

2019-11-14 20:58:57
  • #2

Gross therefore 65,093€.

Divide that by 12 and compare it with your net salary on the bank statement.
You could voluntarily take a year of unpaid leave and still come out cheaper.

You can find an energy consultant for the subsidy in the lower four-figure range.
You can find an architect only for the building application (if you even need one) also in the mid four-figure range.

This is a defensive offer. Look for other architects.

Oh yes, you will also have to pay the structural engineer on top.
 

Dr Hix

2019-11-15 01:27:30
  • #3
- Eligible costs too high
- Fee significantly too high (this cannot even remotely be explained by the translated eligible costs)
- Special service "thermal bridge calculation" clearly too expensive. If your architect is a KFW expert, he must plan "thermal bridge minimized" anyway for roof, facade and windows during design and can directly work with a surcharge of 0.05 as part of the equivalence proof. Or even only 0.035 with the thermal bridge short method. The detailed calculation brings you nothing in the end but consumes almost the entire funding
- Topic funding: Take a look at BAFA, there is still around 4,000€ for an air-water heat pump in KFW55 existing buildings
- Costs for underfloor heating significantly too high (including insulation, screed, material and installation it should not cost more than 90€/m²)
- Costs for roof rather tightly calculated
- The repayment subsidy for KFW55 is 27,500€, not 30,000 and for the 4,000 subsidy for construction supervision the architect would have to pull a trick for your benefit - does he do that?
 

User0815

2019-11-15 13:29:44
  • #4
I can give you a comparison with the values from my general contractor for a KFW-55 new building with 130sqm in 2018, which he stated for the self-performance confirmation for the bank: (Note: Net!)

Viessmann air-water heat pump with underfloor heating & insulation:
Material: 14,174.96 EUR
Labor cost: 4,417.20 EUR
Total: 18,592.16 EUR

Sanitary installation with sanitary end devices:
Material: 8,106.64 EUR
Labor cost: 4,933.61 EUR
Total: 13,040.25 EUR
 

Joedreck

2019-11-15 13:35:49
  • #5
Please also note: New construction! No demolition and disposal costs.
 

galdreth

2020-03-18 06:27:57
  • #6
Finally news!

In the meantime, we have found a construction supervisor who supports the whole thing at a significantly fairer price. Since the beginning of March, the KfW-70 funding application has been approved. The house is emptied and the core renovation is underway:


However, Corona together with the housing market and the shortage of skilled workers here in Baden Württemberg is causing frayed nerves. At least (still) no curfew.

I can forget about the hardware store for a while now.

Since the purchase at the end of last year, I have had communication channels open with 54 (!) different craftsmen (heating, facade, roof, windows, ....) and it is progressing incredibly slowly. Email -> no response for 4 weeks -> call: "Please be patient!" -> 4 weeks of nothing or at some point at least a rejection.

About 10% of the inquiries have resulted in an offer so far, but now that we can act on it: quarantine here, 2-month delay there or rejections.

Then hopefully our bank (located in Milan) will survive until the loan is fully drawn...

And on top: Current apartment terminated until June due to personal use for economic exploitation. -> Lawyer involved -> buying time
Current rental apartments in town: Exactly zero listings.
That means we now live 2 streets away from the construction site and if push comes to shove, we will very soon have to move about 15 - 20 km away to the next towns ... then we probably finally need our own car (currently carsharing with neighbors).
 

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