Setting up a time-lapse camera for house construction

  • Erstellt am 2014-10-19 23:18:44

Bauabenteurer

2014-12-02 17:35:54
  • #1
What Bauexperte wrote, I would agree with. The post by DaLinux should be taken with caution. I personally do not agree with any of the statements contained therein.
 

splitti

2014-12-02 18:07:04
  • #2
As soon as I have feedback from the field of time-lapse photography, I will inform you as well...

Don't get me wrong, isn't it generally a problem according to the building expert to even take a single photo of the house as soon as even one neighbor is standing at the window or in the garden. It gets even more difficult when I chase my children with the camcorder in summer... Whoever says now that this is something different: even there I could record neighbors, e.g. topless, in the background, at the window, etc. And for me the video is something purely private... And time-lapse photography is after all something different from filming or photographing.

A huge problem with the aforementioned legal example with the webcam is that it can stream to the internet 99% of the time by default, here for example publishing must first be suppressed (I myself use such a device).

I have not given up hope, but at the moment I see more problems than solutions!

Who is the said Yvonne and what can she contribute to this?

Regarding the lawyer: then we also need one who is precisely familiar with media. I would not necessarily trust the judgment and diagnosis of my orthopedist if I had something wrong with my eye, for example.
 

nathi

2014-12-02 18:21:34
  • #3
There is still panorama freedom in Germany, even though it is under heavy attack. When I photograph a house, any people in the picture are just incidental and completely uninteresting. As long as I do not publish the pictures, I am allowed to photograph almost anything anyway (except for specially protected areas).

From what I read here, I wish once again that Google had engaged in a legal dispute over Streetview instead of giving in...
 

DaLinux

2014-12-02 20:14:30
  • #4
I have now read §§22, 23, 24, and 33 of the KunstUrhG.
This always concerns the distribution or public display of recordings. Neither of these characteristics was addressed by me; I tried to clarify this with the words "PRITAVE Zwecke." If this was not clear enough, I hereby apologize.

Nevertheless, I still maintain the position that I am allowed to film the structure of my house for private purposes.

Please do not take the following sentence as personally as I may phrase it.
But I find it disgusting that people repeatedly have to interfere in the lives or actions of others because they are stirred up by Hartz 4 television, whistleblowers, or the newspaper with 4 letters, towards their neighbors. The last discussion about evil drones of the neighbor, in a corresponding magazine, fits exactly into this pattern, and I had the pleasure of first discussing this with a very unfriendly person. Fortunately, the police put an end to it and wished me a nice day and good recordings.

As I said, no hard feelings. The one-sided reporting of the media simply annoys me, and as can be seen from the posts in this forum, it is already bearing fruit sufficiently.

I hope you still have a nice evening!
 

ypg

2014-12-02 20:37:04
  • #5


Let's leave nude pictures out of this discussion - the topic of the right to one's own image is already complex enough!



Of course not - the right to one's own image is person-related and implies the distribution of the material... So you can take pictures of all your little plants in the garden.



Flying a model aircraft is allowed, but a camera on such a drone would be secretive and would violate personality rights.



What does morality have to do with this now? Let's leave that aside first.



Good evening, I am Yvonne, I link the StPO to the StGB every day in my work... I am also a trained photographer (but the laws have changed somewhat over the decades), nevertheless I photograph for clients and sometimes dare to involve a lawyer if copyright is being ignored to my disadvantage.

A film is equivalent to a photo.
There is no blanket answer whether something is right or wrong. There are laws that should be followed. But when it comes to very specific situations, these are often a matter of interpretation. For example, the reason why someone films or wants to film, then also the how (e.g., secretly).

One is allowed, for example, to film one's own property. Public space only if no personality rights are violated. If faces or persons cannot be identified, no personality right is infringed. For example, a vacation film, no one would start a discussion about that now. Or a birthday party: the recordings are not secret.
But if, for example, I am filmed by the media at work (which happens), I have to tolerate it (public interest) – if a private person stands beside me, I ask* them to stop. If the request* does not work, I can proceed civilly. This also applies to craftsmen who are filmed secretly.

*And here I come to the topic of decency, which should have more effect here than any laws that I cannot all have ready either, because sometimes it is simply ridiculous to rely on laws.

If a camera is openly set up (or one holds the camera in hand for individual shots), does the craftsman have a choice there? Does he know WHAT is being filmed there? WHAT is visible? Where this material is distributed? No.
Do you know what else you want to do with this great material? No.
Does he have a choice to stop his work? No, not if he does not want to get a warning.
You put him in a restrictive situation that gives him no option.

Now comes the time-lapse camera into play: still relatively new, for some who are not interested in technology, uncharted territory.
Here simply helps enlightenment: talk to the craftsmen, show them a sample result so they do not feel put on display. A crate of apple spritzer in the non-visible "break/rest area" as thanks, a barbecue evening...
By now I no longer think that one must obtain written permission from everyone for such pictures or little films if it is really the case that the persons cannot be recognized.

If a photo of a craftsman is posted in a blog, forum, or e.g. FB, a mediator/judge will weigh after a cease-and-desist claim in which situation the craftsman was photographed: during normal activity deletion suffices, in case of public display one must reckon with a damage claim. But rarely are cases actually prosecuted.

Treat others as you want to be treated yourself – here is a nice example.

So, that in brief. I hope I have not digressed too much.

Regards, Yvonne
 

ypg

2014-12-02 21:23:20
  • #6


Not under attack – it is restricted! Wiki is not always correct or up to date



That is not true either. Freedom of panorama refers to public buildings and structures, as far as I remember...
If I photograph a block of flats, the people are not important if I do not distribute the picture. Correct!
It would be an infringement of the most personal sphere of life if you go so close to a window of an apartment that the person is visible. Then §201a applies: (1) Whoever unlawfully makes or transmits images of another person who is in a dwelling or a particularly protected space from being viewed, thereby violating their most personal sphere of life, shall be punished with imprisonment of up to one year or a fine. Source: dejure.org

What do you think: is someone allowed to photograph or film your mother as she goes to the mailbox every day? Even if that person only uses the footage for their own purposes and does not distribute it?
Just because someone doesn’t know about the material and cannot complain doesn’t mean it is automatically allowed
 

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