Next 125 Kitchen Experiences / Price Assessment

We definitely want to have a glass front. We have also compared several manufacturers for this. What we like about Next 125 is that the glass doors are framed with aluminum, which simply makes them look more valuable. According to the list price, the kitchen (including appliances) costs about 35,000 euros. After several rounds of negotiation, we ended up at 21,000 euros. A Häcker kitchen with a glass front was last quoted at 23,000 euros (not fully negotiated yet). But we don’t like the quality as much there. We also had a Warendorf kitchen offered. The same setup with a glass front costs about 32,000 euros (the discounts are already deducted).

That’s then 40%. Sounds good to me for a kitchen of that class.

Hi,

What is the RRP of next125 and the appliances?

30% should definitely be possible.... with luck even a bit more. With our kitchen, which is also in the next125 league, the first salespeople dropped out at 30%. That must have been where the pain threshold started. Apparently, they are not allowed to go lower than that from the manufacturer.

I can't say anything about the kitchen cabinets but about the Siemens appliances. I will also install completely Siemens appliances, which have already been ordered at about 40-45% off the RRPs. For example, RRP oven: about €1400, I paid €600 now. So you can get significantly more than 30%.

Best regards,

Andreas

Hi,

I can’t say anything about the kitchen cabinets but about the Siemens appliances. I will also install only Siemens appliances, they are already ordered and at about 40-45% of the RRP. For example RRP oven: about €1400, I have now paid €600. So it goes clearly beyond 30%.

Best regards,

Andreas

...this way everyone can contribute to transparency based on their individual offers. For us, for example, the individual items for the appliances were not shown.

We definitely want to have a glass front. For this, we also compared several manufacturers. What we like about Next 125 is that the glass doors are framed with aluminum, which simply makes them look more valuable.
According to the list price, the kitchen (including appliances) costs about 35,000 euros. After some rounds of negotiation, we ended up at 21,000 euros. For a Häcker kitchen with a glass front, the last price was 23,000 euros (not fully negotiated yet). But we don’t like the quality that much there. We also had an offer for a Warendorf kitchen. The same setup with a glass front costs about 32,000 euros (but the discounts are already gone in that price).

And what did you want to know now? I don’t remember your question anymore...

I saw the next 125 kitchen with glass fronts live today. I would also like it, but in terms of the hinges it doesn't compare to the Nolte, which feels more valuable, especially on the wall cabinet. What was very well solved, however, was the sliding element of the 90 cm cabinet that opens to the side, do you have such a module? What I personally see as a must in this price category is a granite or quartz countertop.

Hi,

well, the first draft isn’t really that much of an act. Especially not when I, as the customer, already specify what I want. It may be that my perspective is distorted by my job, but in the office we make offers where sometimes X man-months are involved, have to give absolutely everything to the potential customer, and then don’t get the order. Six-figure amounts get written off for the offer quite easily…

Of course, it’s maddening when you realize the customer went to the competitor with my layout and is having the system built by them. But that's life. Anyone who can’t handle that is in the wrong job…

Bei all dem dürft Ihr aber auch nicht vergessen, dass sich der Verkäufer in der Regel sehr viel Zeit genommen hat um die Küche zu planen.
Daher kann ich verstehen, dass die Pläne nicht einfach herausgegeben werden.
Feilschen kann man ja dennoch. Die Grenze ist aber irgendwann eben auch erreicht, da niemand umsonst arbeitet! Ihr wollt ja auch einen gerechten Lohn!


Ich gebe aber nochmals zu Bedenken, dass man jeden Fingerabdruck darauf sieht. Ich habe es immer noch nicht darauf, die Schränke so anzufassen, dass man nichts sieht, es sei denn ich nutze ein Handtuch dafür. ops:

I therefore see it as an absolute prerequisite for a business relationship that the supplier (= kitchen builder) gives me his drafts. I don’t need detailed or construction drawings of his furniture or technical details like hinges, but it’s about a view and overview of the arrangement and a rough price list. There’s nothing mysterious about whether there is a 60 or 80 cm cabinet in the corner, or the oven on the right or left. This is about kitchens, not rocket science…!

Do you buy a car without an offer or at least drawings/pictures? Do you assign a trade like electrical, plumbing, roof without a written offer? So why should I order a kitchen without being able to calmly compare offers beforehand?

And the kitchen builders themselves constantly show that they apparently have no pain threshold. Anyone advertising 30-50-70% discounts and who directly goes from 21 to 8k€ in conversations shouldn’t be surprised that his calculation (which he moreover doesn’t want to disclose!) is viewed as not particularly serious and that customers start haggling until blood comes. What else can I do as a customer?

But something else regarding the fronts: Do you relate your “fingerprint problems” to glass fronts or high-gloss lacquer? And it has now been told several times that with high-gloss lacquer/foil it is actually not supposed to be that bad, and this seemed to be true for display furniture both in kitchen stores and Ikea. There the real smudges did not remain.

Many greetings,

Andreas