New build - which SmartHome system?

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rick2018

2020-02-17 09:09:05
  • #1
Loxone has ditched KNX and was never certified. As you describe it, the solution is called KNX. With that, you are manufacturer-independent and future-proof. It’s also not that hard to understand. Someone who puts some thought into it and with some literature can program it. I also don’t find Loxone any easier... The ETS is sometimes available cheaper as a group purchase. Or maybe you know someone who lets you use it temporarily.
 

Notstrom

2020-02-17 09:16:48
  • #2
What do you expect from a networked heat pump with underfloor heating? In my opinion, the underfloor heating is too "slow" to respond to weather fluctuations.

...especially since the heat pump, with all its intelligence, is smart enough to adapt.
 

untergasse43

2020-02-17 09:21:02
  • #3

Yes, ETS costs money. You can't get around that if you go beyond the number of Lite devices. Fun costs money.

The programmer must hand over the project to you. However, he will very clearly tell you that you lose any warranty from his side if you touch the project and tinker with something yourself during the warranty period. But that is absolutely legitimate.

This:

is in complete contradiction to this:

Loxone is 100% proprietary and no one can tell you how long it will even exist. KNX has been around for over 30 years with several hundred manufacturers. They will not all decide at once to stop doing anything. A single manufacturer might. Otherwise, only the old Loxone Miniserver actually had a KNX interface. It was never certified and is the exact opposite of “reliable.” The new Miniserver no longer has that interface at all. Apart from that, someone has to parameterize your KNX devices for the connection to Loxone.

By the way, the statements apply analogously to MyGekko. Again, something completely proprietary.
 

Mycraft

2020-02-17 09:39:13
  • #4
MyGekko is basically just an OS with a logic editor. (Just like the many many others out there) In other words, just a software that can then manage, control, query, etc. other devices of various standards. It is therefore on the management level, and you still need the basic framework that you want to control.

You can write off Loxone with their prices and now even more limited possibilities. Price-wise in the range of KNX but more wiring and limited possibilities with an uncertain future overall. I would definitely not rely on them.
 

bonkers223

2020-02-17 10:00:37
  • #5


Exactly, that's basically what makes it interesting. If I choose my actuators/sensors based on KNX and instead of ETS put such an OS on top that manages everything for me and also adheres to common standards, I can't go wrong. Sonos, fingerprint, photovoltaic system, etc. could be easily networked and made to interact with KNX that way.

I still need to read into it more deeply next time. In principle, its structure is interesting.
 

untergasse43

2020-02-17 10:06:38
  • #6
Uhm. You fundamentally misunderstood something: The ETS doesn't manage anything, it only configures your KNX devices. You need it for the initial setup, and that applies to absolutely every "real" KNX installation.

You can put an enormous amount of "stuff on top" of an already configured KNX system, but MyGekko wouldn't even occur to me as a last resort. Look into KNX visualizations, that's what you call the "stuff on top" that handles the logic and displays everything nicely. Well, there are also pure logic engines, but let's just ignore those for now.
 

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