Laying network cable

2020-02-14 09:03:42

Oh dear. Don’t you have an electrician?
The simplest and most future-proof solution: The electrician lays a cable with a double socket in every room, including the granny flat.
The electrician then neatly stores this cable mess in a control cabinet. From there, you can then wire further towards the router. It’s not exactly pretty, but since the stuff belongs in the technical room, it’s less dramatic.
Background: You might want to stream here and there in old age. Streaming won’t get any more economical, and you won’t enjoy Wi-Fi in the long run. What’s fixed has to be connected to a LAN socket by cable. Your children will hate sharing the Wi-Fi with you.
Our neighbor recently vented to me for exactly this reason. The old penny-pincher equipped the house with the finest Wi-Fi. But now everyone really spends the evenings online. The junior plays games late into the night with his buddies. The other son is streaming Vikings. His wife watches her yoga videos on YouTube. He wants to quietly book the holiday online, which is hardly possible because the line is drained. I had to laugh at that. I predicted it for him. The case isn’t life-changing, of course, but very annoying. In a pricey custom-built home, you don’t want such problems.
In your case: you’ll move into your granny flat in old age. Your daughter will move into the house with her family. She – a digital native generation – considers streaming and similar activities her inalienable right. So she and her family will heavily drain the lines. Your Wi-Fi channel (no matter how much it can handle) will simply collapse. You won’t be able to watch ARD/ZDF anymore (they will only stream by then anyway).

2020-02-14 09:05:46

No, we are not having it built, we built it ourselves. We actually wanted to have the entire electrical work done, but unfortunately the electrician charged completely exorbitant prices.

We had a few small extra requests and he wanted to charge an additional 80% for that... That’s why we are doing the roller shutter control ourselves, Homematic IP is to be used here, as well as the satellite and network cables; if our electrician had done this as well, we would be talking about an additional five-figure sum. That is not reasonable.

2020-02-14 09:15:53

Oh dear. Don’t you have an electrician?
The simplest and most future-proof solution: The electrician runs a cable with a double socket into every room, including the granny flat.
The electrician then neatly stores this cable mess in a distribution cabinet. From there, you can continue cabling towards the router. It’s not pretty, but since all that stuff belongs in the technical room, it’s less dramatic.
Background: You might want to stream here and there when you’re older. Streaming won’t get more economical, so you won’t enjoy Wi-Fi in the long run. Whatever is fixed should be connected via cable to a LAN socket. Your kids will be disgusted if they have to share the Wi-Fi with you.
Our neighbor recently vented to me exactly about this. The old penny-pincher equipped the house with the nicest Wi-Fi. Now, in the evening, everyone is online. Junior plays games late into the night with his friends. The other son is currently streaming Vikings. His wife watches her yoga videos on YouTube. He now wants to calmly book the vacation online, which hardly works because the line is drained. I had to laugh. I predicted that to him. Of course, this case isn’t life-changing but it is very annoying. In an expensive owner-occupied home, you don’t want to have such problems.
In your case: you move into your granny flat when you’re older. Your daughter moves into the house with all her family. She — a digital native generation — considers streaming and co. a birthright. So she and her family will heavily drain the lines. Your Wi-Fi channel (no matter how much it can handle) will simply collapse. You won’t be able to watch ARD/ZDF then (because by that time, they’ll only be streaming).

You might be right or not.... Everyone just manages with what they have. If your neighbor lived in a 4-room apartment, he would probably have the same problems. Sure, you can say that if you build, you have it in your own hands.

You’re thinking very far ahead; it will still be at least 35 to 40 years before I sit in the granny flat watching ARD with my wife... By then, technology will have developed rapidly. Cables are actually already outdated; you can even wirelessly charge your electric car. Maybe in 15 years, there will be a Wi-Fi that’s much better than any cable or Cat7 cables will be old hat. These are all things nobody knows...

We certainly didn’t budget much for that, and since we’ve already had extra costs here and there, the reserves are tight, so even an extra 2000€ hurts....

And the kids should go outside and play instead of hanging in front of the TV.

I believe with one LAN socket at the TV and one upstairs, or maybe if there’s cable left, in the kids’ rooms, we are already better equipped than 80% of those who have built in the last 5 years, from what I’ve seen...

2020-02-14 10:10:08

The junior plays games late into the night with his buddies. The other son is currently watching Vikings via streaming. His wife is watching her yoga videos on YouTube. He would now like to calmly book the holiday on the internet, which is hardly possible because the connection is being completely used up. I had to laugh at that. I had predicted it to him. Of course, this situation is not life-changing, but it is very annoying. In a costly built owner-occupied house, you don’t want to have such problems. In your case: you move into your granny flat in old age. Your daughter moves into the house with her whole family. She – generation digital native – views streaming and stuff as her inherent right to life. So she and her family completely drain the connections…

With such a LAN socket, you are also very inflexible. On our ground floor everything is predetermined, and besides, I already have a technical duct in the wall, so we won’t be pushing any furniture there; that will always remain. But in the kids’ room, for example, there are three different ways to set things up; if I have the LAN socket on the other side of the room from the TV, the cable mess starts all over again…

I’m of the opinion anyway that the youth are getting more flexible; who even really uses a PC anymore, and even a TV is already old-fashioned. The trend is smartphones, tablets, laptops so that you can flexibly stream or play from anywhere. LAN sockets don’t help in that case, except that I can strengthen the WLAN with an access point, or am I mistaken?

2020-02-14 10:29:03

You think very far ahead, it will still take at least 35 to 40 years until I am old and sitting in the granny flat watching ARD with my wife... Until then, technology will develop rapidly. Cables are actually already outdated, you can even charge your electric car wirelessly nowadays. Maybe in 15 years there will be a WLAN that is much better than any cable or Cat7 cables will be old hat. These are all things nobody knows....

That’s why many people nowadays install cable ducts in the walls so they can retrofit without breaking open the walls. Cables will still be very important as soon as a lot of bandwidth is needed.

We definitely didn’t budget much for that, and since we already had extra costs here and there, the reserves are tight, so even an extra 2000€ hurts... And the kids should go out and play, not hang in front of the TV

I think with a LAN socket at the TV and one upstairs or maybe if there is still cable left in the kids’ rooms, we are already better equipped than 80% of those who have built in the last 5 years, from what I’ve heard...

Yes, I know, even small amounts add up and hurt eventually.

You don’t have children yet or only small ones, right? They will game, watch TV, etc., whether you like it or not.

With such a LAN socket you are also very inflexible. Everything on the ground floor is predetermined for us, besides, I already have a technology duct in the wall, we won’t be moving furniture there, that will always stay. But in the kids’ rooms, for example, there are 3 different ways to set things up, if the LAN socket is on the other side of the room than the TV, then you get cable chaos again...

I’m of the opinion that young people are becoming more flexible anyway — who really still uses a PC, and even a TV is already old-fashioned. Smartphones, tablets, laptops are what’s cool now, so you can stream or play flexibly from anywhere. LAN sockets don’t help with that, except that you can strengthen the WLAN with an access point, or am I mistaken?

The socket doesn’t have to be right next to the device. A double socket right where the TV wall will probably go is already enough in the living room. The remaining meters are then bridged with a suitably long cable. But at least the big consumer, the TV, is then on a different data lane.

Same game in the kids’ rooms. In our house, the sockets hang under the window. That’s probably where the desk will go later. And you have no idea how much bandwidth a nice first-person shooter on the console pulls. It will make you sick! And yes, PCs are still popular. And most have a PlayStation and Xbox as well. Then there is a TV running in parallel as a monitor but also having its own streaming apps...

Our kids are still small, but even they pull. My husband plays on the PlayStation, I lie in the tub and drain Netflix, our son watches Ninjago on the tablet and all is good, the youngest just sleeps (and even she streams kids’ and dance songs with me on YouTube). Son and I on WLAN — you can already see that in the load.

2020-02-14 10:51:49

Yes, we already have 2 children, one is 9 and the other is just 3 months old.

We rather follow an old-fashioned upbringing and I insist on that. Our 9-year-old currently has nothing except that he is allowed to watch TV for 30 minutes in the evening and on weekends, when we want to sleep in, he can have mom’s phone and watch a few YouTube videos.

We believe children up to 10 years old should first learn to keep themselves occupied... What will come later when they grow older cannot and should not be prevented. I just hope my children will be like me and prefer playing outside with friends instead of hanging in front of the TV all afternoon... That was always boring for me back then....

We are also not so extreme that we have to watch Netflix in the bathtub, a bathtub is for relaxing and I usually take a bath together with my wife, so we don’t need something like that.

I also don’t have a game console, at 29 I’m still old-fashioned and we are busy enough with work, house chores, meeting friends, building a house (later garden maintenance, tidying up) and hobbies.

I believe we will never have a shortage of things to do....

I am also still willing to operate a light switch, movement is healthy. I don’t have to come home from work (where I already sit a lot) and then sit on the sofa, turn on the TV and then say Alexa do this, Alexa do that.... I like to get up and dim the lights or turn on the radio.

BUT that is actually a different topic where one could discuss for days and everyone has a different opinion.

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Laying network cable

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