Land prices and standard land value and tips for land search

Hello forum,

my partner and I want to fulfill our dream of owning a home. Since we made the decision, I have been diligently reading through the house building forum to gather as much knowledge as possible before we actually get started. One thing is certain for us: we need a plot of land first before we begin the actual house planning, and now we are searching for a plot.

My first question: We noticed that prices in land advertisements are extremely above the current standard land values, sometimes by a factor of 3 (even a factor of 2 in absolutely poor locations already seen – small villages without infrastructure. The region is Ostwestfalen-Lippe, desired area would be the region south of the A2 between Bielefeld and Gütersloh, rural). Is there still room for negotiation when buying, or are the prices actually soaring this high right now? Would you try to negotiate, or would that be a sure way to never get a plot?

Second question: In some forum posts, I read the recommendation that searching with the keyword "11ant barthel" would lead to tips on finding plots. Unfortunately, this only shows threads containing this exact hint – what one is actually supposed to find with it I cannot find that way... Does anyone have tips for us?

Second question: In some forum posts I read the recommendation that using the search term "11ant barthel" would lead to tips on finding property. Unfortunately, this only shows threads that contain exactly this hint – what you’re actually supposed to find that way I don’t see... Does anyone have tips for us?

The statement was that you have no chance without connections.

And in my opinion that’s a good thing: functioning village communities want to remain such, and many newcomers just commute like tourists with blinders from their building plot to work in the district town, without caring about the fire department or the singing club. So, if you look for property in villages where you have no relatives yourself: forget realtors, show up in the village pub, make contacts: pastor, undertaker, choir leader, shooting king, baker – there Barthel gets the best stuff. But you also have to be likeable to them. Snobs with handbag SUVs or people who look like they just tucked their tie into their pocket like a womanizer at the hotel bar have no chance there.

On that note, my first question: We noticed that in property ads the prices are extremely above the current standard land values, in some cases by a factor of 3 (factor 2 already seen even in absolutely bad locations – small villages without infrastructure. Region is East Westphalia-Lippe, desired area would be the region south of the A2 between Bielefeld and Gütersloh, rural). Is there still room for negotiation when buying, or are the prices actually going through the roof right now? Would you try to negotiate, or would that be the sure way to never get a property?

That about the standard land values comes up here quite often. In my opinion you can completely forget this indicator. Demand is simply too high at the moment.

The statement was that without connections you have no chance.

Whose statement where? - Connections can be established.

Whose statement where? - Connections can be made.

Yes, that's true. From the OP back then. I didn't feel like looking for the quote and therefore just wrote myself what your quote above refers to. :D

Without relationships in the villages, outsiders can hardly get access to the good things.

Didn't feel like looking up the quote, so I just wrote in myself what your quote above refers to.

Without connections in the villages, outsiders can hardly get their hands on the good stuff.

That's exactly what the Barthel tips are for - for those who weren't born with the local connections to cook along.

Would you try to negotiate, or would that be the sure way to never get a property?

If you find few in your preferred area, you can save yourself the trouble of negotiating. If you find properties "like sand on the sea," then, why not negotiate. 98% of the time, the former will happen. What have your research results been so far?