Is the kitchen price okay? Alternative manufacturer?

Regular customer with business experience, the first price sticks right away, they play the game with the moon price and see what else is possible, I’ll ask the boss, final price and the dishwasher for free and only if you sign today... not at all.

Regular customer with business experience, that’s where the first price sits, then they play the game with a moon price and see what else is possible, I’ll ask the boss, last price and the dishwasher for free and only if you sign today... not at all.

I basically don’t believe salespeople, especially in the furniture sector ;-)
But I have to admit, other kitchen salespeople weren’t much more expensive (about 500-1500 euros).
He was, in addition to the best offer, simply the most transparent regarding discounts and blocks. Another dealer, for example, gave an 80 euro discount on one variant of the calculated price and 700 euros on the other variant.
The current one just gave x % on every calculation and that was it.
But I didn’t want to start a discussion about the sometimes opaque sales methods of dealers.

The price was important to me; I would have liked it a bit cheaper though. But the price seems to be okay, unfortunately ;-)

Still, does anyone know if there is a base cabinet with a drawer for an oven in the Nobilia Line N?

No, it should not exist:


The cabinet height will be 72.4 cm ... Oven 60 cm, leaving 12.4 cm. About 3 to 4 cm of that will be taken up because you have the handleless variant with a grip profile. So there are still 7-8 cm left, which you see in the illustration as cladding below the oven. Part of the cladding above/below probably serves to cover the floor beneath the oven ... so no drawer fits there.

That's just the price of the handleless variant ... loss of storage space due to the grip profile.

Personally, I would miss drawers that are directly accessible. I don't like inner drawers there at all. ;).

I claim IKEA goes for at least 20% less.

With 30% loss in quality!

By the way, a very quiet and still top-functioning Siemens SM is installed in there. In contrast to the similarly old "ridiculously expensive Neff SM of my brother which was installed in our new Ikea office kitchen (so he could treat himself to a new one ;-) . Their touch "buttons" partly don't work well ("Start" mostly doesn't!), plus it buzzes extremely loudly, so it definitely can only run when no one is around.

You surely know that Siemens and Neff are manufactured in the same hall by the same assemblers (with the same technology). ;) Look at two comparably equipped models from both manufacturers, and you will notice no differences beyond nuances – neither in noise nor other quirks. However, the usual quality fluctuations exist with both.

No, that shouldn’t exist:


The cabinet height will be 72.4 cm ... Oven 60 cm, leaving 12.4 cm. About 3 to 4 cm of that is taken up because you have the handleless version with recessed handle. So 7-8 cm remain and you see that in the illustration as a panel below the oven. Part of the panels above/below should still serve to cover the floor underneath the oven ... so no drawer fits there.

That’s just the price of the handleless version ... loss of storage space due to the recessed handle.

Personally, I would miss drawers that are directly accessible. I don’t like inner drawers at all. ;).

Thanks!
Too bad, I actually find a drawer below the oven quite practical. But as you say, you just have to accept some price for the handleless version ;-)
Yes, we had initially considered taking a 50 cm cabinet with two pull-outs next to the oven on the left. However, due to cost optimization, we decided on a normal 50 cm cabinet with a door + one pull-out.
One could also do 90/100/90 at the back, then you would have 10 cm more pull-out depth, but I find 90/90/90 more visually appealing.
In general, we are still considering whether to move the kitchen 10 cm towards the door, then the 90 cm pull-out cabinets could be 60 cm deep instead of 50 cm.
The problem is just that the partner 1. would then have more difficulty reaching the window and 2. more difficulty accessing the outermost cabinet, since we would then be 70 cm away from the windowsill (the slope has an offset).

You surely know that Siemens and Neff are manufactured in the same hall by the same installers (with the same technology). ;) Look at two comparably equipped models from both manufacturers, and you will find no differences apart from nuances – not even in noise or other quirks. The usual quality fluctuations occur with both, though.

Does that refer to the Junker appliances I mentioned, that they should be in a similar quality league? As I said, I would merely try to reduce the dishwasher from 48 dB to 44 dB, since at the competition it is priced the same. 4 dB certainly make a difference.