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2024-11-25 21:34:53
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You seem to be a lucky guy. Not your current living situation, but the coincidences that fall into your lap.
So, first of all, it’s confusing that when someone is unhappy with their living situation, they immediately think about building. Most single renters would rather look for another, better apartment.
What a coincidence: connections are literally worth money (as you can see with the mason who built for €900/sqm). The question is why the connection wants to sell a plot so cheaply and specifically to you. But well, as I said: lucky guy! And then the coincidence with the mason who tells you how cheaply you can build, namely for €900/sqm.
Lucky is the one who can do it all.
Coincidentally, he himself was a mason. And a double lucky guy who could choose...
… Namely, he probably had many contacts from construction that he could have asked. But on top of that, he has friends who can do things. Probably his contacts and colleagues are his friends who then didn’t spend their after-work time with family but built him a little house without pay. A roofer has his own tools, you don’t need scaffolding for a bungalow, and other equipment can be driven after work to your own building site with the company vehicle. That works.
The house construction price of €900/sqm even tops a small Ytong DIY kit house, which at the cheapest level for a closed shell without site preparation already costs almost €1200/sqm.
You’ve already realized it: it’s unrealistic. And thus you’re asking now if €1700/sqm is more realistic.
Let’s take the Ytong kit house as an example: we don’t take the largest where the sqm price is relatively cheaper, but we take the small and compact one where you can build a 50s style replacement apartment without scaffolding and with less material for yourself.
€104,000 for 87 sqm. That is true luxury for self-building. Site preparation with €25,000 extra. Then the interior fittings, sanitary, electrical, heating. Installation, basic prices from craftsmen, or you do it yourself. In #10 I told about my neighbor who had the money for the kit in cash (had to have it, because the bank gave no credit for absolute welfare). Every six months he bought some material while already living with his elderly wife in the shell house including technology. Tile patchwork and compact kitchen from Roller, always the pressure to keep going because you want to finish somehow. Unfortunately, death surprised him. Simply too much worry.
But you are certainly young and can finish the house. Calculated with €200,000 including technology by craftsmen, you are there; that would be €2300/sqm for 87 sqm. Hmm… that’s what you actually didn’t want.
Question: where do the €1700/sqm come from? Purely fictional or have you calculated backwards what you can afford?
I’ll put it like this: if you still can’t say now that Max does the sanitary, and Moritz the roofing, and you build the masonry yourself, then it won’t work with the muscle mortgage that goes beyond common painter jobs either.
At my age, I would even still trust myself to do masonry, but honestly? Nowhere do I read what you can do and what you trust yourself to do. You basically always ask the hypothetical popcorn question “is it possible..?” instead of asking yourself “can I afford this and that?”
Go to a financing advisor first and ask if you can get a loan. Because mostly here only hot air is talked if you ask hypothetically because you can’t afford real prices. Because first of all, even a lucky guy has to buy the land and sign the notary contract.
Most real lucky guys think realistically, by the way, and lease a piece of land where they can live in a mobile home year-round.
The problem is that I currently live in an unsanitary attic apartment from 1950 because the prices here are just completely crazy,
That’s why I had the idea to build a new building for myself
So, first of all, it’s confusing that when someone is unhappy with their living situation, they immediately think about building. Most single renters would rather look for another, better apartment.
but through connections I can get cheap developed building land.
What a coincidence: connections are literally worth money (as you can see with the mason who built for €900/sqm). The question is why the connection wants to sell a plot so cheaply and specifically to you. But well, as I said: lucky guy! And then the coincidence with the mason who tells you how cheaply you can build, namely for €900/sqm.
100 sqm flat-roof bungalow built with an architect for €900 per sqm as he claims he managed: wall construction 17.5 cm sand-lime brick + 15 cm WLG 035 insulation + 1.5 cm plaster (supposedly the cheapest wall construction). The interior fittings are mostly DIY, so €2000 kitchen from OBI and bathrooms tiled by himself as well as bathroom fittings connected by himself with laminate and tiles done as DIY for max €15 per sqm, interior plaster as DIY on ceilings and walls, interior doors, windows, and front door as DIY. Very simple architecture with small window areas and the excavated earth was reused in the garden, for example.
Lucky is the one who can do it all.
So the walls were still built by a mason
and he told me that he himself works as a mason
Coincidentally, he himself was a mason. And a double lucky guy who could choose...
and has friends in the various trades so although everything was done by professionals he had very low labor costs and practically only had to pay material costs.
… Namely, he probably had many contacts from construction that he could have asked. But on top of that, he has friends who can do things. Probably his contacts and colleagues are his friends who then didn’t spend their after-work time with family but built him a little house without pay. A roofer has his own tools, you don’t need scaffolding for a bungalow, and other equipment can be driven after work to your own building site with the company vehicle. That works.
The house construction price of €900/sqm even tops a small Ytong DIY kit house, which at the cheapest level for a closed shell without site preparation already costs almost €1200/sqm.
What do you think of such a building price?
Somehow it seems unrealistic to me.
You’ve already realized it: it’s unrealistic. And thus you’re asking now if €1700/sqm is more realistic.
My question is: Do you think it is possible to build such a house with DIY for floor coverings and painting for €1700 per sqm of living space?
Let’s take the Ytong kit house as an example: we don’t take the largest where the sqm price is relatively cheaper, but we take the small and compact one where you can build a 50s style replacement apartment without scaffolding and with less material for yourself.
€104,000 for 87 sqm. That is true luxury for self-building. Site preparation with €25,000 extra. Then the interior fittings, sanitary, electrical, heating. Installation, basic prices from craftsmen, or you do it yourself. In #10 I told about my neighbor who had the money for the kit in cash (had to have it, because the bank gave no credit for absolute welfare). Every six months he bought some material while already living with his elderly wife in the shell house including technology. Tile patchwork and compact kitchen from Roller, always the pressure to keep going because you want to finish somehow. Unfortunately, death surprised him. Simply too much worry.
But you are certainly young and can finish the house. Calculated with €200,000 including technology by craftsmen, you are there; that would be €2300/sqm for 87 sqm. Hmm… that’s what you actually didn’t want.
Question: where do the €1700/sqm come from? Purely fictional or have you calculated backwards what you can afford?
If that’s the case, before I turn to a consultant from a company, I will contact an architect here in the region and plan with him how I imagine a cheap but solid house and see in which areas I can contribute DIY with friends and family.
I’ll put it like this: if you still can’t say now that Max does the sanitary, and Moritz the roofing, and you build the masonry yourself, then it won’t work with the muscle mortgage that goes beyond common painter jobs either.
At my age, I would even still trust myself to do masonry, but honestly? Nowhere do I read what you can do and what you trust yourself to do. You basically always ask the hypothetical popcorn question “is it possible..?” instead of asking yourself “can I afford this and that?”
Go to a financing advisor first and ask if you can get a loan. Because mostly here only hot air is talked if you ask hypothetically because you can’t afford real prices. Because first of all, even a lucky guy has to buy the land and sign the notary contract.
Most real lucky guys think realistically, by the way, and lease a piece of land where they can live in a mobile home year-round.