House on the slope - approx. 200 sqm living space

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11ant

2018-02-15 17:56:32
  • #1
You could have been a bit nicer in praising the new courage, even if it may only be the courage born of despair. What has come from the planner's side so far, in my opinion, were quite certainly incitements to do it yourself.
 

SupaCriz

2018-02-15 20:11:18
  • #2
If my talent for house planning were greater, I might have studied something else and would probably be working on an entry for an architects' competition instead of at the house-building forum —> I am fully aware that this is not the ultimate truth.

Precisely for that reason, I would be happy if the focus would be more on concrete suggestions for improvement rather than pointed but destructive criticism. Unfortunately, our planners - if at all - are only marginally more gifted than I am in terms of house planning - therefore we are grateful for every concrete suggestion.
 

11ant

2018-02-15 20:35:57
  • #3

Well, if that isn't a "pointed but destructive criticism"

But okay, hands on heart, do a revision: against which of our umpteen objections would you no longer defend the previous designs for your house? (after all, we were at a disadvantage in many points against their Merkel-like inevitability)
 

ypg

2018-02-15 21:25:15
  • #4


Tell me about it—none of us can rely on an architecture degree. That’s why a forum can’t just conjure up a plan for you. Approaches, yes, improvements too, eye-opening, correcting mistakes, curing operational blindness... but first there has to be a fundamental design that can then be optimized. These are designs that (in principle) can (should) do that or designs planned by laypeople but already quite optimized in room sizes, furnishings, relative positions... then there is text that you find again as drawings. What I see here—and I don’t want to apologize for honest words—is nothing but one-day drawings where the important rooms are somehow carelessly pressed against the shady outer wall so that the living room / hobby room is dimensioned as large as possible. If you want to go to the toilet, you can’t even turn around there. At some point, you can’t take this seriously anymore. From the beginning, I waved the “picket fence” and advised seeing an architect. I don’t understand this pinch in the wallet either, since it’s about a desired 200sqm. If an architect does the planning, a trained professional will design the house for you and save you 30sqm. You also don’t pull your own teeth and build a crown from epoxy resin.

Improvements also lack communication on your part: You get many answers, lots of feedback. But everyone also asked you questions, why or how... You absolutely do not answer but instead ask follow-up questions about things that have become absolutely irrelevant at that point. Almost everyone demands that you take action, but you don’t respond. For example, Maria asked you to draw in the furniture: we are all waiting for that because it’s a way for you to understand that that is botched. If communication with the architect was the same way, it’s understandable that nothing is coming of it anymore.

And honestly: You don’t really feel like refining the design. Coming up with something clueless on paper for an hour every few months to create a basis for discussion here is not enough. And that doesn’t work outside the forum either.

As you say, you have a nice hillside plot. Please put it in experienced hands so that your money is well invested and you will have a lot of joy in the house.
 

SupaCriz

2018-02-15 21:25:19
  • #5
Ultimately, you are right to want to be able to step from the living room into the garden. That argues for a living-cooking-dining area in the basement. Besides, on closer inspection, you really don’t necessarily need 2 living rooms. That’s why we simply tried to implement ypg’s advice from the old thread: “Put the living floor in the basement, dispense with the cellar, and distribute the rest between the ground floor and the upper floor.”

Since the “layman cubed” tried it himself first, it was apparently unfortunately not sufficient. Therefore, as said, we do not reject any suggestions. Nothing is without alternative.

The other points were and are rather secondary for us, even though we were also not satisfied with the layout of the ancillary rooms in the old ground floor...
 

Maria16

2018-02-16 09:56:05
  • #6
Please define what you currently understand by "other points" that would be secondary?

If that includes, for example, drawing furniture into the basement, then no one can really help you anymore. You are building a house to live in. Living includes furniture. They must at least be able to find a halfway reasonable place. If now you don't think it's worth your time to consider where you even have space for the kitchenette and dining table, I really don't know what else to say. :-(
 

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