HOAI or why architects have no interest.....

  • Erstellt am 2019-02-26 15:41:21

Escroda

2019-02-28 19:59:48
  • #1
Yes, that’s often how it goes these days. But if you mean and here in the thread, you are wrong. That is incorrect. The HOAI is binding. Undercutting the minimum rates is only allowed in exceptional cases. Fuchur’s post #19 describes the legal situation very accurately.
 

Dr Hix

2019-02-28 21:31:35
  • #2


In HOAI 2013 there is an annex 10 that lists the basic services in the service profile "Interiors and Buildings". It finally lists what the individual service phases include.

In addition, there are so-called "partial service tables" (e.g. from Siemon), which in turn assign the proportional fee of each service phase to these basic services.

Example:

Billable costs (=/= construction sum!) = €300,000, fee zone III, middle rate

For service phase 2 (preliminary planning) 7% of the total fee are due, therefore €3,144.57
Service phase 2 includes the following basic services, to which Siemon assigns the following shares:

a) Analyzing the basics, coordinating the services with the parties professionally involved in the planning
--> 0.25% to 0.50%
b) Coordinating the target objectives, pointing out target conflicts (included in a)

c) Developing the preliminary planning, investigating, presenting and evaluating variants according to the same requirements, drawings to scale according to the type and size of the object
--> 3.00% to 3.50%

d) Clarifying and explaining the essential contexts, specifications and conditions (e.g. urban planning, design, functional, technical, economic, ecological, building physics, energy management, social, public law)
--> 1.00% to 2.00%
e) Providing the work results as a basis for the other parties professionally involved in the planning as well as coordination and integration of their services (included in d)

f) Preliminary negotiations about the approval
--> 0.10% to 0.50%

g) Cost estimation according to DIN 276, comparison with the financial framework conditions
--> 0.75% to 1.50%

h) Creating a schedule with the essential processes of the planning and construction sequence
--> 0.10% to 0.50%

i) Summarizing, explaining and documenting the results
--> 0.10% to 0.50%


Now the architect can go ahead and cut service phase 2 by basic services that he considers dispensable for the specific project. For example, point f) would probably only rarely be an obligatory part of his services. He deducts 0.5% of the total fee for this and his offer will then be €224.61 cheaper.
In this way it is of course also possible to fall below the minimum rates of HOAI (according to service phases), but this requires explicit agreement and should be stated in the contract.

In my humble experience, however, it usually works more like this: the architect simply sticks to his routine and makes sure that his working time ultimately fits the fee. Single-family houses are simply fillers between the lucrative projects.
I have written this somewhere here before; the nonsense known from relevant shows (e.g. BR "Dream Houses"), where the architect is passionate about the matter, designs x totally creative variants, lovingly builds small models, brings samples of numerous materials, advises the client while choosing finishes and finally proudly puts the construction on the landing page, you will not find in reality. These are either the architects’ own projects, or it is about construction sums beyond all sense at which the architect actually earns really well.

Honestly: If I absolutely needed an architect, but could not really afford the actually necessary €35,000 upwards, I would take the cheapest one and lower my expectations to zero, then everyone will be satisfied in the end.

PS: A quick note on the "billable costs". HOAI writes about this:



If the construction sum is €350,000 and of that €100,000 accounts for the "technical building equipment" (heating, electricity, controlled residential ventilation, etc.), the calculation would be as follows:

€350,000 gross corresponds to €294,000 net. Of that €84,000 net for the TGA. Results in billable costs of

210,000 + 52,500 + 15,750 = €278,250 billable costs
 

Dr Hix

2019-02-28 21:42:46
  • #3
Addendum: Of course, the fee itself must also be deducted from the construction sum ;-)
 

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