Tichu78
2015-04-03 18:36:31
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Interesting topic .... may I ask what you paid for the draft?
Unfortunately, I can’t tell you exactly how the cost calculation is done, but maybe my "current" thoughts will help you.
My feeling is that it’s some kind of sales tactic from the architect. Provided you have really made it clear that the house including all ancillary costs (additional construction costs, outdoor facilities, carport, kitchen, etc.) may cost max. 260,000 EUR, it’s not okay to make a house appealing that costs significantly (> 5-10%) more. You have to be extremely careful when you tell an architect the house may cost a certain amount! Architects usually calculate without VAT and put outdoor facilities, carport, kitchen & co into the ancillary costs, which initially don’t affect the construction sum for their fee. I orient myself on DIN 276 cost group 300 + 400 (I’m currently unsure about 100 + 200 … it should probably be included?). I also had an architect who didn’t include his fee in the "construction sum" and suddenly 30,000 EUR more was on the bill.
Therefore, I advise you to deal intensively with the ancillary costs as much as possible … fees, development, earthworks, your extra wishes (they will come! ), outdoor facilities, carport/garage, etc. There quickly adds up to 50,000 EUR. The more intensively you deal with details before signing the contract, the more you realize what costs MAY come your way! Hardly anyone will be able to guarantee you exactly how much. Therefore, it was already a good move to say 260,000€ instead of a maximum of 280,000€. Stick to that! Such a buffer is quickly used up … poor soil, contamination, rising craftsman costs and especially the builder’s wishes are particularly bad.
If the money isn’t enough, the house must simply be smaller or without climate protection gimmicks. At first, it’s pretty tough when the dream house costs more than planned, but over time it’s more reassuring to have something in sight where you don’t see money problems.
Therefore, it won’t make much sense to follow up here in the forum whether the architect’s bill is correct, realistic, or whatever, because if you want to build with this architect (for whatever reason), it costs what he says. Why should he estimate more or less? The costs are always under the control of the builder as long as he is involved in the project and doesn’t lose overview, i.e. watch your man closely and ask questions. Architects have experience and this is reflected in the offer. We are currently planning with 400€/m³ because if it turns out during construction that it’s cheaper, there are enough items to spend the "saved" money on again, e.g. energy-efficient measures, which are much more expensive to "install" afterwards. That is an absolute advantage with an architect compared to a fixed-price offer. So why take a risk by calculating with tight numbers? It costs what it costs!
Get more offers and if something is significantly different, ask right away why. Building means taking financial risks and in my opinion it also involves learning a lot to minimize construction defects/planning errors/etc. … avoiding them is hardly possible. And that’s why inform yourself BEFOREHAND! This forum is definitely a good start!
We set a limit of 300,000 €. Everything should be included there as well … but how is the architect supposed to know what you imagine. And you don’t even think about many things yet. Our "ancillary cost list" keeps growing and growing … the house has since shrunk from 670m³ to 590m³, but I can budget a solid 30,000€ for that. We are still satisfied with the size. It shows again how people tend to want to build bigger, higher, better at first Some costs like finishing the attic, garden, carport and a few other things that you don’t necessarily need right when moving in have been taken out for now. We have calculated so that we can save about 10,000 € a year … these will then be either used for special repayments or "invested in" the house.
Unfortunately, I can’t tell you exactly how the cost calculation is done, but maybe my "current" thoughts will help you.
My feeling is that it’s some kind of sales tactic from the architect. Provided you have really made it clear that the house including all ancillary costs (additional construction costs, outdoor facilities, carport, kitchen, etc.) may cost max. 260,000 EUR, it’s not okay to make a house appealing that costs significantly (> 5-10%) more. You have to be extremely careful when you tell an architect the house may cost a certain amount! Architects usually calculate without VAT and put outdoor facilities, carport, kitchen & co into the ancillary costs, which initially don’t affect the construction sum for their fee. I orient myself on DIN 276 cost group 300 + 400 (I’m currently unsure about 100 + 200 … it should probably be included?). I also had an architect who didn’t include his fee in the "construction sum" and suddenly 30,000 EUR more was on the bill.
Therefore, I advise you to deal intensively with the ancillary costs as much as possible … fees, development, earthworks, your extra wishes (they will come! ), outdoor facilities, carport/garage, etc. There quickly adds up to 50,000 EUR. The more intensively you deal with details before signing the contract, the more you realize what costs MAY come your way! Hardly anyone will be able to guarantee you exactly how much. Therefore, it was already a good move to say 260,000€ instead of a maximum of 280,000€. Stick to that! Such a buffer is quickly used up … poor soil, contamination, rising craftsman costs and especially the builder’s wishes are particularly bad.
If the money isn’t enough, the house must simply be smaller or without climate protection gimmicks. At first, it’s pretty tough when the dream house costs more than planned, but over time it’s more reassuring to have something in sight where you don’t see money problems.
Therefore, it won’t make much sense to follow up here in the forum whether the architect’s bill is correct, realistic, or whatever, because if you want to build with this architect (for whatever reason), it costs what he says. Why should he estimate more or less? The costs are always under the control of the builder as long as he is involved in the project and doesn’t lose overview, i.e. watch your man closely and ask questions. Architects have experience and this is reflected in the offer. We are currently planning with 400€/m³ because if it turns out during construction that it’s cheaper, there are enough items to spend the "saved" money on again, e.g. energy-efficient measures, which are much more expensive to "install" afterwards. That is an absolute advantage with an architect compared to a fixed-price offer. So why take a risk by calculating with tight numbers? It costs what it costs!
Get more offers and if something is significantly different, ask right away why. Building means taking financial risks and in my opinion it also involves learning a lot to minimize construction defects/planning errors/etc. … avoiding them is hardly possible. And that’s why inform yourself BEFOREHAND! This forum is definitely a good start!
We set a limit of 300,000 €. Everything should be included there as well … but how is the architect supposed to know what you imagine. And you don’t even think about many things yet. Our "ancillary cost list" keeps growing and growing … the house has since shrunk from 670m³ to 590m³, but I can budget a solid 30,000€ for that. We are still satisfied with the size. It shows again how people tend to want to build bigger, higher, better at first Some costs like finishing the attic, garden, carport and a few other things that you don’t necessarily need right when moving in have been taken out for now. We have calculated so that we can save about 10,000 € a year … these will then be either used for special repayments or "invested in" the house.