High construction costs with rising building interest rates

  • Erstellt am 2025-05-02 19:20:23

Joedreck

2025-05-04 09:27:01
  • #1


I can’t keep up. A house, a horse (my own experience shows the costs), vacations, and waiving maintenance (advance payment). You don’t have just the basics with your two girls; you’re already quite far up. Surely due to a healthy household budget. But you live luxury and not minimalist. Possibly compared to the bubble in the forum, but not when looking at the country.

To the OP: in rural Lower Saxony, there are still affordable, young existing properties at reasonable prices well under 400k. I’ve been observing the local market for years. It’s all a question of expectations. And an existing property can be very well modernized by a craftsman. A monoblock heat pump is easy to install even for a layperson thanks to compression ring fittings. The motto "I want everything and just watch how others build" was mainly the trend in recent years. Especially in the countryside, everyone helped each other with building.
 

nordanney

2025-05-04 09:39:48
  • #2

That can be true, but doesn’t have to be. Just the heating costs in comparison (I am also a landlord myself and have several live examples) that you save when switching from an 80sqm 1960s apartment to a 140sqm new build, you simply cannot spend on other additional costs anymore.
Property tax is extremely individual. Apartment to house -> change municipality and save 30% property tax with 50% more living space.

We are talking about additional costs, not about upkeep and renovation, which by the way usually only starts after 15-20 years in the case of a house.
 

Haus123

2025-05-04 09:54:44
  • #3


If I remember correctly, the poster is a teacher. What many don’t know (including teachers themselves): Even as a single mother teacher, thanks to family allowances, no social security contributions, and a generous pension, you earn about as much as an average family (let’s say 2 skilled workers, 1 full-time, 1 part-time 75%). But the perception of a teacher is of course inside her social bubble, and those are most likely (depending on the type of school) not the minimum wage parents of her students, but other academics.

On the topic of Lower Saxony: I find it all the more worrying that even in a “cheap” market with solid purchasing power in the countryside, a young family can hardly afford a house anymore. In the past, owning a house was taken for granted even by the broad masses, and the social differences were then reflected in the quality of the car, the vacations, and the car that was driven.

An existing property is fine for a craftsman, but whether a heat pump is sensible without extensive renovations is something I doubt. With small radiators, it makes no sense, and simply hanging on bigger ones (apart from that being ugly) also doesn’t work because the windows then also have to reach correspondingly deeper. So that leaves underfloor heating, which is not always uncomplicated in existing buildings (too little screed thickness), even in properties only a few decades old. It therefore strongly depends on the individual case.

In fact, existing properties remain too expensive compared to new builds in many markets despite price drops. This is true for laypeople anyway, but even for craftsmen, it is hardly realistic to bring existing stock up to new build standards without additional costs. Therefore, existing means always making compromises in comfort and design flexibility. That’s not a problem for me, but you should be honest about it.
 

Joedreck

2025-05-04 10:05:56
  • #4
Thank you for the clarification regarding the employment relationship.

I don’t agree with the other point. A reasonably young house has good insulation standards. These are also sufficient with radiators for a heat pump-compatible flow temperature.
In older houses, you can, if necessary, assist with fans under the radiators. The top floor ceiling, the basement ceiling, and other small details are often enough to significantly reduce heat loss.
Turning an old house into a new one really doesn’t make any sense, as it is clearly too expensive. However, bringing the house up to a standard that will not consume you financially in the future is possible at an acceptable price.

Your further point is pure entitlement thinking. Of course, I have to make compromises with existing buildings. But that’s just how it is when limited financial resources are available. If Person X had unlimited financial means, there would be different cars, different vacations, different clothing, etc...
Compromises must therefore be made. Those who do not want to do so simply continue to live in the affordable apartment. That’s also okay. But if I can only afford the “existing building” and that’s not enough for me, then I have to think about what demands I have. Because I can only change it to a limited extent, i.e. by increasing my income.
 

Haus123

2025-05-04 10:10:03
  • #5


Well, even in the 1960s apartment I never had more than 200 euros a month in heating costs, and that wasn’t long ago. But then you had to pay for the janitor and the elevator. You can’t really save much more with a new build either. Sure, with rising CO2 pricing, this will multiply, but the massive investment costs for insulation in new builds/renovations remain. By the way, even in an insulated property, you have to ventilate and let cold air in from time to time in winter. I speak from personal experience here as well. Of course, there are technical solutions to minimize this efficiency loss, but these are quite expensive and therefore unattractive.

I am by no means a Green supporter, but there is some truth to the logic that apartments are by far more energy-efficient because they have a significantly more compact exterior shell than a single-family house. If you want to save on additional costs and still have at least a small garden, you should at least choose a terraced house.

The amount of property tax is individual, but the calculation logic is not. Hardly anyone chooses their place of residence based on the level of property tax rates, as the social environment alone argues against that. Especially the fact that recently the land area combined with the standard land value is decisive for the tax amount has led to a huge increase in property tax for single-family homeowners. This is noticeable even in more rural regions. Honestly: I wouldn’t want to indulge in more than a small semi-detached house anymore. The opportunity costs of a large garden have unfortunately increased enormously due to the reform.
 

ypg

2025-05-04 10:10:42
  • #6
1. this is nowhere stated here 2. this is not true either Where do you get the assumption that (young) families cannot afford a house? That brings us back to the problem that young families want to fulfill their dream house of 160 sqm plus including a double garage already in their mid-20s. You don't have to have everything big and fast without personal contribution right away.
 

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