High construction costs with rising building interest rates

  • Erstellt am 2025-05-02 19:20:23

Joedreck

2025-05-04 12:28:42
  • #1
I’ve been through all that twice. Including electrical work, without completely gutting. Chasing slots and then plastering them up again. Then renovation felt and painting. Nothing rocket science. Screed can stay. If I absolutely want surface heating, that also works on the wall. I myself have a house from the 1960s. Walls insulated with 3cm by the previous owner. Basement ceiling and upper floor insulated by myself. Despite front door and windows from the early 90s, I manage with 40 degrees flow temperature at -11 degrees outside temperature and 21.5 degrees inside throughout the house. The radiators were not always designed for 60 degrees. Keywords that help: targeted elimination of thermal bridges and leaks, hydraulic balancing, lowering flow temperature as much as possible in 24h mode. I claim the majority of heating systems are not properly balanced. User error. Then replace radiators in a targeted manner. There are even convectors if it really can’t be done otherwise.

For me, somewhat young houses are from the mid-90s. The roof was already insulated then and the windows had values of 1.1. The electrical system is also fine. That is modern enough and still affordable. At least in Lower Saxony compared to new builds.
 

Haus123

2025-05-04 13:01:55
  • #2
Yes, chasing grooves and filling them again is quite nice if you want to renew the electrical system in a single room. But what about main cables that lie in the ceiling or floor? Not always, or rather rarely, has the builder worked with empty conduits that make it easier for subsequent generations during renovations. And even this task takes a lot of time, because the wallpaper looks terrible afterward. Try doing that in the whole house as a lone wolf with family obligations.

-11 degrees? Fortunately, there is climate change. There are quite a few places (actually every German low mountain range and thus half of southern / central Germany) where -10 degrees was a standard temperature at night, and it actually dropped to -20 degrees or lower annually. Source: my own childhood / youth.

Replacing radiators selectively? How do I do that with low windows that only exist because the radiators underneath are tiny, designed for high flow temperatures? Should I clutter the rest of the wall with them? Or alternatively insulate the facade for a six-figure sum? Of course, if I buy an existing house with heating systems that were already designed for low temperatures earlier, that works. But why would one have done that broadly? It only takes valuable wall space and looks ugly. So, it doesn’t exist in the majority of existing buildings.

There is a reason why heat pumps rot in warehouses and are actually only used in new buildings. The investment is expensive and complex, and the ongoing savings have been minimal so far. Oh yes: I myself heat with a heat pump in an existing building.

Otherwise, I find a house from the mid-90s quite acceptable. Only they are not cheap and certainly not numerous. Maybe here and there in rural regions.
 

Teimo1988

2025-05-04 13:58:39
  • #3
I have no personal experience with asbestos. But there have been cases in my circle of acquaintances, and yes, they disposed of it themselves in those asbestos bags. But as I said, no experience.

You can definitely install photovoltaic systems yourself. However, connecting the inverter to the grid must be done by a certified electrician.

Well, if you want a structurally and energetically poor exterior wall, you will certainly find someone to build it up. Why would I want that?
 

Joedreck

2025-05-04 15:15:29
  • #4

Strange, nothing had to be replastered for me, except the bathroom. Of course, chasing grooves and filling them is possible. For example, you can create steep channels or ducts. Decommissioned chimneys work as well. Many older houses have 2-3 of the same. We're not talking about wallpapering here, those are renovations. This is about the core renovation you mentioned, down to the foundation walls, to bring a house into the current millennium. And that is possible. Without huge investment. Expensive are deep interventions in the statics etc.
And yes, there are also options for radiators. Same size, with quiet fans. Significantly reduces the flow temperature.
Heat pumps “rot away” because heating installers ask for outrageous prices. I repeat: a monoblock can be installed by an ambitious administrative clerk himself. There is plenty of help for that on the internet.

Funny, your constellation regarding house prices. That’s exactly what it is about here for the OP. Building/buying in the countryside in Lower Saxony. Best conditions to buy a good existing house at good terms.
 

Haus123

2025-05-04 15:34:34
  • #5
Yes, bathroom renovation is also such a fun thing. Nicely clearing the pipes, especially when you don’t even know exactly where these pipes run in an old building. You don’t have to be a craftsman for that, but you do need a certain physical fitness, dust resistance, and above all time. Of course, you can also do without and only do the bare minimum. Then you just live at the standard from a few decades ago.

Once again: doing it yourself is great, but you also have to be realistic. What can the average person still do nowadays and how much time can be invested? Especially as a DIY beginner, you have to bring time to learn things. Unfortunately, people often only buy / renovate when time is tight, namely shortly after starting a family despite two full-time jobs. If you then have no network to fall back on, the wise sayings from various know-it-alls here in the forum won’t help you either. Above all, you have to have this knowledge BEFORE the purchase, because only then can you realistically assess the effort and possibilities when inspecting a used property.
 

Haus123

2025-05-04 15:35:38
  • #6
They probably disposed of it themselves; otherwise, the professional company would have been quite expensive. But certainly not cheap at the local recycling center.
 

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