Heat pump is not compatible with a water-bearing fireplace

  • Erstellt am 2023-10-20 18:54:17

dertill

2023-10-23 12:29:16
  • #1

No, "new" is better. Because this:


is nonsense.

The bivalent parallel heat generation with different flow temperatures and volume flows of the heat generators should ALWAYS be done together via a buffer tank, which simultaneously acts as a hydraulic separator. In manual or automated non-simultaneous operation, deviations are possible, but definitely not in this case. In doing so, all sources feed into the buffer and all sinks are supplied from the buffer.

The connections on the buffer should always be distributed from top to bottom over the entire buffer height in descending temperature order.
At the top the hottest, i.e., the supply line from the fireplace. This should always be around 70°C during operation. As can be seen in the drawing, the stove has a return temperature increase. The small circuit controlled by the 3-way valve there ensures that the water flowing through the fireplace is circulated in a loop until it reaches the minimum temperature and is only then "decoupled." This prevents the water in the stove from being too cold, so that no condensate forms on the heat exchanger at the stove and thus no rust occurs.
The line to the stove can also be the "old" one, which would better utilize the buffer volume.

The remaining connections also look good in terms of distribution by descending temperature.




Automated stoves, such as pellet or gas boilers, have a switch that can be toggled and that shuts off when the target temperature is reached. The fireplace, however, contains fuel and the exhaust gases run through the heat exchanger. The fireplace cannot be switched off directly but is very sluggish.
At too high temperatures, the cold water injection starts, while simultaneously or immediately afterwards the overpressure valve triggers (that’s the "banging"), and the excess water goes into the drain. In this case, energy is lost into the drain, but that is intentional. This can be avoided if you only turn on the fireplace when heat output is guaranteed.

As a technically untrained layperson who has never worked with this, I would be cautious about it.

Dismantling is not necessary, just a careful approach as described above: only turn on the stove when there is demand.

Much more important for the solution: what color is it? Red fireplaces tend to overheat more than green ones. Green color calms, especially as a spinach smoothie.

I am so against it when Mr. Drosten demands that only experts accredited beforehand by him/WHO/federal authority may comment on respective topics and everyone else gets silenced. Against this background, I welcome your interjection but would simply say: no.
 

Jessica388

2023-10-23 13:38:11
  • #2
Thank you very much for your answers. We also asked our heating engineers about the "old pipe" to it, because we also consider that the most sensible, but according to him it is not possible, since the old connection would be its own piping circuit in the buffer…
 

Jessica388

2023-10-25 07:46:37
  • #3
So unfortunately it is too cold in the bathroom now (21.5) and also in the living room without the stove… In the bathroom we would like 23-24 degrees. What should we do now? Raise the heating curve and target temperature?
 

RotorMotor

2023-10-25 07:53:27
  • #4

First of all, fundamentally: In (modern) houses, a large temperature difference between rooms is not (sensibly) possible.
This is simply because the insulation is only on the outside, but not between the rooms.
So 21 everywhere and 24 in the bathroom will hardly be (sensibly) possible.
However, 22 everywhere and 23 in the bathroom is perfectly doable! Maybe even a bit more difference.


I would first start by raising the set temperature and only adjust the heating curve if it starts getting cold inside during very cold outside temperatures.
It is important to first keep all the controllers in the rooms fully open.
 

Jessica388

2023-10-25 08:04:08
  • #5

Okay.
We now have the rooms where we don’t need heating (storage, pantry, bedroom) set to 2, in the living room and bathroom to 6, and the rest at 4…
 

WilderSueden

2023-10-25 08:10:44
  • #6
2, 4, and 6 are not standardized values. You have to see what exactly is behind them. Our thermostats (Busch-Jäger) operate in 5-degree increments, i.e., 2 equals 10 degrees, 4 equals 20 degrees, and 6 equals 30 degrees. One wonders what the developers were smoking when they came up with the idea...
 

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