Floor plan single-family house 240 m², 2 full floors without basement, solid construction

  • Erstellt am 2023-11-12 13:40:48

ypg

2023-12-11 15:20:12
  • #1
Exciting! Interesting!

Not much is fixed yet.


Yes, but he won’t install the bathroom or the front door for you?!

From which position is no craftsman’s wage included? The installation is still listed for the windows, but everything else? Ah, I see the comments further to the right.
Do you want laminate everywhere, also in the entrance area and utility room? Or are the positions with tiles for other rooms missing?
- Water pipes (i.e., sanitary items) are included with the heating? For sure?
- Rainwater connection?
- What is included in the electrical work is also unknown.
- Drywall installer?
- The last item covers your incidental construction costs (permits, insurances, further earthworks, etc.)
And keep in mind: architect-designed houses end up 20% more expensive than planned overall because prices are adjusted over the years of construction time.


But whatever, I just don’t understand why someone would simply overdimension a run-of-the-mill house so it loses its charm and becomes a house of long distances and then lay floors with artificial laminate.

My only tip is to also include the financial double burden in the calculation, because it certainly won’t be done within one month.

It would be nice if you could report further whether the offers are consistent with your estimate and whether the bank gives its approval.
 

11ant

2023-12-11 15:28:55
  • #2

I don’t participate in threads that already have seventy-eight billion clicks on the opening day evening – they don’t suit my temperament.

Having survived two post-war times, it’s easy to be brave, if you know what I mean...
 

HeimatBauer

2023-12-11 15:57:29
  • #3
On Financial Planning.

I still see a lot of boundaries needed here, for example: Electrical work without installing the boxes. Well, where does it start, where does it end? Drilling holes in the wall, knocking out the contents, putting in mortar, inserting the box. Sounds good. Conduits too? All right. So chasing the wall, inserting the conduit, stapling it to the floor up to the shaft, then downwards. Right? Does the electrician really not care which conduit you use? Well, there are differences. So: Has the electrician clearly described what he expects from you? The quality of your work?

Then the quantity. Every line costs. Are you sure no additional light outlets, sockets, etc. will be added?

Then the quality of his services. Installing electrical work and "installing electrical work" are two different things. Just the question of whether we get the coolable room thermostats or the simple ones was a dispute that lasted for months.

Then the feasibility in general. Do you really have an electrician who will accept the self-installed photovoltaic system? I know more than one photovoltaic DIYer who becomes increasingly desperate at the end of the calendar year searching for an electrician to approve his system before the end of the year.

Then the quality overall. You can spend hours discussing every single line in a construction service description; here, simply "Heating XYZ Euro" – how many faucets, which lines where, garden water, gutter, and so on. Surely behind every single item there are service descriptions spanning many pages – right? Has your building technician approved that all trades combined result in a finished house and not that the heating engineer says: "Yeah, I could start installing the heating if there was a leveling layer applied!"

Then the own contribution. It’s clear that you simply set working time at zero hourly wage. But just so: I also installed the first conduit with a consumer slot cutter. Oh. My. God. The electricians had so much pity (and we had a lot of collegial agreements on-site) that I could use his entire company equipment at night. So I used his professional slot cutter at night to cut the channels. Then I fixed all the self-laid conduits on the floor. Since the electricians used those super expensive Hilti clamps for that, borrowing the equipment was not an option. So I tried to borrow a powder-actuated nailer – result: it is not available from my tool rental, as a matter of principle. What to do? Well, I bought a used machine on classified ads and later sold it again. Including the consumables, that was quite an effort – for a task whose existence I hadn’t even known until then.

No offense, I find it very brave to coordinate everything yourself, but a) I would never trust myself to do it, and b) I have the gloomy suspicion that the total sum is absurdly low not only because the completely zeroed own contribution but also because there is a gap between some trades.



Yeah, in retrospect it might have been better if I had handled it the same way.



They had no other choice. And neither did my father – he could renovate the apartment and then move in – or not.
 

11ant

2023-12-11 16:16:20
  • #4
Three years ago, then the building plans should still be "accessible". Then show them to us once, and let's compare them together. You can do the same with the costs: 2230 EUR/sqm 2023 (= your target value 550k) / construction cost index 2023:2020, then they must have built it for 1640 EUR/sqm ;-) Or did you even do it like this: took their construction costs, everywhere at your own performance positions deducted the labor share, with which I roughly get the result "wow, really huge, how much bigger a house we can afford for the same 550k"? Which child were you then (K2, or K1 with the room one eighth larger), and was it so traumatically small?
 

haydee

2023-12-11 16:16:22
  • #5
In our village, a couple did it the way you plan. Planned way too big for the budget. Made up for it with own labor. That initially succeeded. But the marriage is a case for the divorce judge. Working every weekend, the entire vacation, and every evening until late at night on the construction site for several years is not family-friendly.
In addition, the sale proves to be somewhat difficult. You can see in many things that they were done by a good hobby craftsman, but not by a good journeyman. Also, some things are still unfinished.

We had a general contractor with a turnkey price without incidental construction costs and still so much was added that it became really tight in the end. We had a big buffer.
My advice, adapt the square meters to the budget. You have so much saving potential without losing quality of life in the house - rather the opposite.
 

11ant

2023-12-11 16:25:19
  • #6

Exactly. Even at 180 sqm, the standard for "decent" living for 2E2K is still clearly exceeded, and the poor planned kids are even grateful if they don't feel lost in huge halls.
 

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