Enlarge living room / extend concrete ceiling?

So that you don’t feel attacked here now. Have you ever thought about a conservatory on the side?

The original poster has already ruled out a conservatory. That would have been my first thought too.

The original poster has already ruled out a conservatory. That would have been my first thought as well.

Ok, I must have overlooked it then. I’ll just predict that nothing will happen. The box is too hot and too expensive.

The furniture plan would not be unimportant, because if steel beams are installed, then new supports (columns) must also be placed directly against the wall. Very unfavorable for a sofa.

I have to create it first. I will do it and then post it here.

Even if you have the money left over: better build a really awesome conservatory and buy the Porsche for that.

As I said, a conservatory is really not my thing.

Sure – then better two Porsches for the structural engineer. You can’t earn your money so effortlessly as to throw it out the window with a particle accelerator.

Sorry, but I don’t understand the meaning of these sentences.

I still haven’t read how much budget you have for it! And by the way, I also think that building new is cheaper.

Theoretically as much as necessary. As I said, until now it was just an idea and I came to this forum to have the feasibility of this idea checked by others (maybe with more expertise than me). So far, the feedback clearly pointed in one direction.

This is not a classic extension with its own ground slab, where you can still continue living in the rest of the house. The house will be uninhabitable for months. You only see a bigger living room I see...

No, I’m realistic enough to see that too. Although I would estimate the construction time significantly shorter. In the process, we would also make some other changes right away. Remove non-load-bearing wall, re-tile bathroom, move windows, veranda, etc.

From my point of view, you are easily over €100k if it’s even 150sqm and you don’t have the guarantee/warranty that no cracks will appear between existing building and extension.

Thanks for your assessment. I would have thought somewhere between €50,000 and €100,000. Basically a lot of $$$ for a few square meters and one XXL window more.

So you don’t feel personally attacked here: Have you ever thought about a conservatory on the side? 20sqm with a large wall opening (you’ll need a structural engineer here too). But the heating issue is difficult here as well.

All good. That won’t get my pulse up. I had asked for opinions.

He won’t even come forward with the floor plans.... maybe you could take the previous terrace into the house on the right side, for example. But without plans it won’t work.

Well, sorry. Regarding the “type” of extension, I’m quite limited. Also, then I wouldn’t have a terrace left for my veranda.

Then I’ll predict that nothing will happen. The thing is too hot and too expensive.

Quite possible. As I said, it has been an idea for a long time. If everyone here says “shitty idea,” then it is what it is. Maybe I’ll just realize the part with the window.

Thanks & regards, spyfromtheeast

Thank you for the detailed response. What I just don’t understand is why someone would want to be so unreasonable and blow so much money for so little square meters and benefit. Even if you have too much money saved up, it’s crazy. To be honest, I don’t have to be an expert to recognize that something like this will cost more than 100k€. Without dismantling, the enlargement alone should cost at least 50k€ and it just doesn’t, no matter how you look at it. You will need every trade that you also need for a complete new build, every single one! Just the big window thing alone, if it’s only one window, is estimated to be between 5-10k€.

Here is the plan including furnishings. I had already considered placing the sofa with the long side against 1 and then hanging the TV on the wall at 2. There are connections there and it was originally probably intended that way by the architect. Then the current shelving/TV cabinet combination would have to go. It is important that the oven can be seen from the sofa (F-r-a-u ). The furnishing plan is not exact to the centimeter/scale-accurate, but roughly correct.

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Thanks for the detailed answer. What I just don’t understand is why anyone would want to be so unreasonable and blow so much money for so little square meters and use. Even if you have too much money saved up, it’s crazy.

Thank you
I think that’s hard for outsiders to understand. I simply have a certain, let’s say ideal image of the room. How much that is worth to me later, I have to make up with myself or be able/willing to afford.

Honestly, I don’t have to be an expert to recognize that something like this will cost more than 100k€. Without any dismantling, just the extension alone should cost 50k€ and it absolutely doesn’t.

Honestly, I would have estimated less. 100,000€ seems like a lot to me. Especially when you see what the whole house cost as a new build.

You will need every trade that you also need for a complete new build, every single one!

I think so, that’s what it will come down to. Even if some trades are needed for very small tasks.

For the discussion, my rough estimate (2 minutes of thinking time):
Architect + structural engineer 6000€
Building permit 500€
BG: 500€
Building owner's homepage: 250€
Dismantling: 3000€
Excavation: 2000€
Shell construction: 12000€
Roof + plumber: 3000€
Veranda: 5000€
Electrician: 2000€
Sanitary: 1000€ (underfloor heating stays as is)
Windows 1500€
Plasterer 5000€
Interior 5000€

=> roughly 47,000€

Probably forgot twice half of it but nothing else comes to mind right now...

Regards, spyfromtheeast.

Move the terrace to the left, the small extension plan above should be relatively easy to do since there is currently only glazing here.

Bay window plan on the left (this is complex, the wall must be supported), the dining room will be partially relocated into this. The living room moves to the right. The basement window on the left will be built over, the upper basement window can remain as is. A hanging chair will be placed in the corner to the left of the stove.

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But again: Without further plans, nothing will come of it!