Cost-effective building without loss of quality, architect's house

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11ant

2024-01-02 15:15:02
  • #1

Whether @ Vierzehnmalrömischeins is clear about that, I still see question marks. Even a guest WC and utility room only with a lifting system, as far as the access comes from the uphill side. Unfortunately, we are completely in the dark here, since the original poster does not understand the relevance of the follow-up questions. Are we dealing here in the end with the Niagara fall downstream neighbor of BiffBiff?
 

IIIIIIIIIIIIII

2024-01-02 16:01:12
  • #2


I will try to shed some light on the matter.

1. We are planning that the foundation + connections will cost 100,000€, if it then turns out to be 150,000€, it is still affordable.
2. We want to spend approximately 400,000€ on a "move-in ready" house from slab/foundation/piles/X.
3. I want to use these 400,000€ cost-efficiently.
4. The extra costs due to the hillside location are as they are.

I am fully aware that part of the ground floor will be standing into the hill with this type of construction.
The side that will be into the hill is the north side; the view to the east/south/west is not blocked, sufficient light comes from these sides.

On the north side, we plan to place the stairs, maybe a guest WC and a pantry, but since nothing concrete has been planned yet, this is completely flexible.

The sewer is south-east, so no lifting station is needed, it goes downhill there anyway.

How to build cost-efficiently on a hillside (i.e. basement/foundation/hill stabilization) I might open an extra thread on at the appropriate time – but as already mentioned, I am only concerned with cost-efficient house construction itself, I cannot change the hillside location.

I will also send you a drawing of the hillside... I don’t have one handy right now.
But I have found an EXAMPLE for you from the internet (not my hillside, not my house). Our hillside is similar.
It just does not slope as steeply in front, only the hill behind the house is similar...

This house does not have a basement in the actual sense either.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask, I will answer them.
 

11ant

2024-01-02 16:26:07
  • #3
No one here ever wanted to advise you to have a classic hoarder hobby room basement. For me, mostly the outstanding processing of the existing questions suffices. Then we'll see each other again afterwards.
 

dertill

2024-01-02 20:05:53
  • #4
Don't get stressed. Here, advice is often only given once all details are known. Even if they have nothing, or seemingly nothing, to do with the question asked. The tone may sound a bit rough, but many have already been saved here from a fiasco they hadn't thought of in the first place. Persevere, answer questions precisely or justify your answer, and you will no longer encounter resistance or rejection.

On the topic: Building services can be unnecessarily expensive and inefficient. Please plan heat pumps without buffer tanks, combined tanks, or any mixing valves. Only supply line out, heating circuit distributor, and return line back in. Also, a 3-way valve for the hot water tank (without circulation), done.
Have the underfloor heating designed for 30° supply temperature with NAT and do not install individual room controllers or motorized actuators. Google tip: Flow30 underfloor heating

Given the size of the house, one could consider two decentralized residential ventilation units with heat recovery and one secondary room connection (bathroom) each instead of central ventilation. Cheaper than central ventilation.

Do not build better according to the Building Energy Act. It only gets more expensive, especially as a single project, since the QNG certification alone consumes the subsidy (if there currently is one).

Oh, and external blinds / outdoor shutters cost roughly as much as the windows per m2. So avoid them where possible by using natural shading (roof overhang).
 

ypg

2024-01-02 22:12:34
  • #5
Because many decisions about the equipment depend on the plot of land. It is rarely possible to say in general: save this, save that… take for example the lifting system, which you say you don't need. If you had a plan including contour lines and access road, one could address that you don't need it. As it is now, it's back and forth questioning, which can ultimately annoy you and others. In the end, there are no constructive answers. I go even further, saying you need to know who wants to move in there, how old and with how many people (children). Because that decides, for example, how much hallway area must be created and whether at all. With living areas, i.e. the floor plan, you can control a lot of costs. Or how big the hot water tank needs to be… That brings us to this statement: A layman does not plan optimized, mostly either wastefully with room sizes or so that it works suboptimally. So it makes sense to let the professional do it. He gets the money anyway - whether he thinks himself now or lets the client think - he puts his name under it. Built in one meter, two meters out. Split level is more expensive, though more useful. No. You don’t convert, but take a general contractor (GU), who usually moves walls and windows cost-neutral already in planning. For most things I agree with you. Doors belong to that as well. You should have the tiles done professionally. That takes time… and time in interior finishing costs a lot, often in five-digit ranges. An expert should definitely be called in. The expert also checks the contract. So the expert should be commissioned early – before signing. Somehow not. You want to do many things yourself, and that often means that it shows somewhere. You don't need a pantry if you have good kitchen planning (available free from the kitchen manufacturer or in a forum if you want to assemble an Ikea kitchen yourself, for example). I’d put it this way: down-to-earth should be cost-effective building. You don’t need the newest technology, but it doesn’t have to be outdated either. You don’t have to plan for “in 25 years,” the current standard and what you need now should be enough: no empty conduits, but LAN nonetheless, not 10 sockets in the bedroom but 5, and use multiple sockets for PC/TV, SAT – you have to check your own TV behavior there. Indirect lighting also works with a floor lamp, no recessed spots, outdoor lighting minimal and not every 2 meters, no air space, no gallery, no expensive concealed sliding doors, instead standard sizes and running doors, no big tiles, no lift-and-slide door, etc. You are fond of it ;) I would also see it as superfluous. You can gladly take concrete tiles. I put it this way: almost everyone wants to build cost-efficiently. For that, you don’t have to reinvent the house… …, - Plain building shape is standard when it comes to cost efficiency. - Large window areas do not get more expensive than masonry walls above a certain size. For us, it was 4 sqm for cost-neutrality. - a good planner can cost-neutrally plan the house x times until it fits. I would start right here: Two floors creates a small tower, hardly an approach for efficient storage areas with that size. 60 sqm per floor, that invites to kneel down. Since neither the plot size nor the building envelope is known yet (see topic on essentials), I still suggest a single floor plus converted gable roof (e.g. 26-30 degrees roof pitch without sand-lime brick): the roof can later, when there is a child, be converted for children’s rooms, well walkable storage space, and hobby/office room. On the ground floor parents, living area and technical room. With 85/90 sqm you get well by, in the roof you then get 40/50 sqm, expanded as needed. If you want to build cost-efficiently and save, then take a general contractor of the cheap class, build according to the Building Energy Act minimum standard and stick to their scope of services, which frequently equips a standard house in a common way. Many upgrade this standard – if you do not want that, then you simply don’t do it, but you get a house which is habitable: no foiled windows, a 200L hot water tank, possibly an outdoor faucet as well as an outdoor lamp at the terrace and entrance, analog doorbell, shower tray, no rain shower, Q2 walls, but underfloor heating and a two-way switch in the corridor/stairs, electrical cabinet, standard bathtub and two toilets (bathroom and WC). Even the tile splashback will be included with laying. The simplest sockets can be converted to double sockets themselves, I would have sanitary work done because of the warranty.
 

ypg

2024-01-02 22:20:09
  • #6

4 minutes processing time – indeed one minute more than before, but not enough for long texts ;)
The kneeling is meant negatively. So the forced kneeling – not the gratitude;)
 

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