City villa floor plan 180m², basement, 3 children - Your opinions on this?

  • Erstellt am 2020-12-27 15:20:46

MayrCh

2020-12-28 12:10:41
  • #1
Well, that's how it is without execution and factory planning. How many hours of own work did you calculate?
 

XxTankerxX

2020-12-28 13:31:31
  • #2
phew....for me it will be 170m2 and here already 500k was estimated. I also think that you will have to add another good 100k to your estimate.
 

hampshire

2020-12-28 15:42:40
  • #3
The regional prices vary quite a bit. In the metropolitan area around Düsseldorf / Köln probably yes, in other regions of NRW probably no. In Bavaria, it also makes a difference whether you are building in Bamberg, Günzburg, Vilshofen or Rosenheim.
 

ypg

2020-12-28 17:51:07
  • #4
... and we look forward to a discussion with you :)
 

Kraj

2020-12-28 21:03:34
  • #5

At first glance, both the cloakroom and the hallway can easily handle the 30cm wider staircase, but in the upper floor it is not so unproblematic. So the staircase is still a TODO.
Yes, regarding the height I am curious how it will look on the first sketches, nothing is set in stone yet and surely we still have some leeway. However, we have not yet seen a house with 2 full floors that was lower with a gable roof than one with hip/tent roof. What are common city villa roofs? A hip roof? We could also imagine that, we are not necessarily tied to a specific roof shape as long as 2 full floors are maintained.


Yes, the small Nibe and for ventilation Zehnder or also Nibe. At least KfW55 and at least 80,000€ estimated own work, just for the shell about 45,000€. See below for the rest.


Not me, but the active helpers (mason, sanitary). See below for the rest.


See below.



Apparently our floor plan is not too bad, since the criticism focuses more on the budget and the own work :) Or are we interpreting that wrong? :)

Then we’ll let you partake in our planning:
- Masonry of all exterior and interior walls with 2 friends: Depending on the weather 3-5 weeks, we only mason the walls, without ceiling and roof work.
- Installation of the trench collector: According to numerous reports, doable with 2 people on a weekend.
- Installation of the ventilation ducts for the ventilation system: Through flat duct and plug system installation is fast, time consuming are the wall openings, but overall possible within 3 days.
- Installation of underfloor heating including insulation but without screed: With staple mat system in 1 week. My cousin has a sanitary company and actively supports the ventilation and underfloor heating.
- Chasing and laying electrical and bus cables for KNX: Finished wiring plan will be provided, chasing and laying cables in empty conduits 1 week
- Laying all floor coverings: Still undecided as no final decision about floor coverings

Yes, that is a lot, but considering parental leave, every free minute on site and active support, definitely doable. But it certainly won’t be a walk in the park, we are aware of that.
 

knalltüte

2020-12-28 21:21:49
  • #6

I would compare both and calculate (have calculated) as precisely as possible from KfW55 up to Passive House. If there is BAFA funding for both (35%), I would always go for a system controlled by a central unit (prerequisite for the funding).

Calculate what you want anyway (e.g. photovoltaic?, controlled residential ventilation?) and then see what remains after deducting the additional funding. But it may be necessary to have an energy consultant for that...


I consider that feasible if I look at other buildings and how long that took. But keep in mind, if you may have to wait for the completion of the ceilings or other trades, your schedule can get disrupted. Mixing contracted work and own work in a tight schedule requires a lot of discipline.


That definitely works (with heavy equipment).


We do that too, I think that fits. But flat ducting is really very expensive.
Our 70mm round duct costs, for example, only about €3/m ;)


I also consider that realistic. My brother-in-law did it a few months ago for his son and I was there several times (not to help). That’s not that difficult if you have suitable plans and tools (unroller, stapler...).


That is ambitious. I would plan more time here alone so that all cables can be properly labeled immediately. Pulling cables into empty conduits takes time, and laying empty conduits is cumbersome.


I see you have a plan. But better plan some time buffers here and there. Something always comes up :D
Today, for example, I feel my “old bones” and I was only on the site for 6-7 hours doing light work (insulation and supporting laths). That’s something different than office work, you shouldn’t underestimate what is physically demanded.
 

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