Kaspatoo
2017-01-29 22:18:43
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In the case of a slope, I think it is not so bad not to connect to the rainwater drainage system, since the water is still directed sideways next to the house and from there no longer poses a threat to the house.
I have now spoken on this topic with an architect (the one planning the house) and an engineer (from my circle of acquaintances).
Our architect leaves it up to me whether to brick or to concrete.
Here are both variants between which I can choose (regarding a wall in contact with the earth/ towards the slope):
bricked
- 42cm hollow brick masonry
- sealing material RSB 55Z
- studded membrane
- no gravel layer
- drainage at the height of the floor slab for lateral water discharge, possibly with inspection shafts
concreted
- WU concrete (thickness unknown)
- thermal insulation layer (thickness unknown)
- no sealing material (because unnecessary due to WU concrete)
- no drainage (because unnecessary due to WU concrete)
As an advantage of the brick variant, the architect mentioned that it is easier due to thermal insulation reasons in combination with the creation of a support surface for the facing bricks.
Another advantage of a brick wall is that no transition joint to the definitely bricked remaining/above-ground part of the basement arises, but everything would be one piece.
He also mentioned as an advantage that the bricked basement leads to a better indoor climate.
I have read and heard the latter justification very often and have also seen it described as a "wives' tale" and then again as "probably true." A few colleagues reported to me that they themselves were able to actually notice a better climate in bricked basements by comparing with neighbors and their acquaintances. I do not want to judge this, but I give the "better indoor climate" a little credit.
The engineer from my acquaintances confirmed the two approaches of the architect.
He built his house himself and bricked it back then because he could do it on his own and had no options for concreting.
Due to groundwater, their house is permanently in water; back then they had to work with a drainage pump, and once when it failed overnight, the excavation pit was a complete pond the next morning.
He has had no problems with moisture in the basement until today (about 30 years ago).
He says if we build with drainage, it is no problem not to use WU concrete; the latter would certainly be more watertight, but definitely with certainty.
From the point of view of our well-known electrician (doing the electrical work himself), a bricked basement would be advantageous for the internal installations.
In summary (according to my interpretations), a bricked basement therefore has almost only advantages, except for the issue of watertightness.
The latter is the big unknown that no one wants to predict.
The statements of the above-mentioned persons contradict most statements here in the thread.
As it stands now, I would toss a coin with a slight tendency to trust the people I have met face to face more.
Otherwise, I am also considering seeking a consultation with a supposedly independent expert.
I have now spoken on this topic with an architect (the one planning the house) and an engineer (from my circle of acquaintances).
Our architect leaves it up to me whether to brick or to concrete.
Here are both variants between which I can choose (regarding a wall in contact with the earth/ towards the slope):
bricked
- 42cm hollow brick masonry
- sealing material RSB 55Z
- studded membrane
- no gravel layer
- drainage at the height of the floor slab for lateral water discharge, possibly with inspection shafts
concreted
- WU concrete (thickness unknown)
- thermal insulation layer (thickness unknown)
- no sealing material (because unnecessary due to WU concrete)
- no drainage (because unnecessary due to WU concrete)
As an advantage of the brick variant, the architect mentioned that it is easier due to thermal insulation reasons in combination with the creation of a support surface for the facing bricks.
Another advantage of a brick wall is that no transition joint to the definitely bricked remaining/above-ground part of the basement arises, but everything would be one piece.
He also mentioned as an advantage that the bricked basement leads to a better indoor climate.
I have read and heard the latter justification very often and have also seen it described as a "wives' tale" and then again as "probably true." A few colleagues reported to me that they themselves were able to actually notice a better climate in bricked basements by comparing with neighbors and their acquaintances. I do not want to judge this, but I give the "better indoor climate" a little credit.
The engineer from my acquaintances confirmed the two approaches of the architect.
He built his house himself and bricked it back then because he could do it on his own and had no options for concreting.
Due to groundwater, their house is permanently in water; back then they had to work with a drainage pump, and once when it failed overnight, the excavation pit was a complete pond the next morning.
He has had no problems with moisture in the basement until today (about 30 years ago).
He says if we build with drainage, it is no problem not to use WU concrete; the latter would certainly be more watertight, but definitely with certainty.
From the point of view of our well-known electrician (doing the electrical work himself), a bricked basement would be advantageous for the internal installations.
In summary (according to my interpretations), a bricked basement therefore has almost only advantages, except for the issue of watertightness.
The latter is the big unknown that no one wants to predict.
The statements of the above-mentioned persons contradict most statements here in the thread.
As it stands now, I would toss a coin with a slight tendency to trust the people I have met face to face more.
Otherwise, I am also considering seeking a consultation with a supposedly independent expert.