Air heat pump electricity price increased as of January 1, 2022

  • Erstellt am 2022-11-18 06:08:40

Tolentino

2022-11-18 12:46:50
  • #1
There are heat pumps with complete indoor installation, are they really that much bigger than an oil tank + boiler or gas boiler? In Berlin, there are many apartments with gas floor heating - I recently saw an advertisement for a heat pump with indoor installation. Overall a bit bigger than the indoor unit of a split air conditioner. But I don’t know if you need those things per room and whether it was ultimately a low-temperature heat pump or if it can somehow be connected to hydraulics. There are always ways, you just must not close yourself off. And yes, the state must set targeted incentives (which for me does not necessarily mean subsidizing).
 

Alessandro

2022-11-18 13:26:05
  • #2
Many things are feasible. With air-to-water heat pumps, there is a legally mandated noise level limit that can hardly ever be met. If that doesn't change, air-to-water heat pumps are ruled out for the time being. There are technically enough solutions. For example, wastewater heat pumps. Unfortunately, it often fails due to money and politics.
 

WilderSueden

2022-11-18 13:39:41
  • #3
I think district heating is likely the better idea in big cities. On the one hand, because a very large heat storage allows better buffering (keyword sector coupling, also surface area grows quadratically but volume cubically). On the other hand, because of economies of scale. And also because not everything will work everywhere. But, for example, geothermal fields could be drilled under parks and other green spaces (provided there’s no subway line running there) or the air-water heat pump could be installed on the flat roof of the neighboring block. Heritage protection is one of the points that belongs on my list from earlier as well. We won’t be able to preserve every old facade exactly as it is. Some things may not really be worthy of protection, some can perhaps be faked, some will have to be solved with internal insulation. There should be some flexibility here.

The state is all of us together. In that respect, this dichotomy does not exist. On the other hand, it is simply the case that heat pumps are not sensible for everyone in the foreseeable future. As described earlier...the big environmental gain is when a house’s heating demand is reduced from 300kWh to 80kWh. That step is achievable even without a full renovation and while people are living in the house. The switch to low temperature heating can then be done later, or when it fits well, or simply omitted for some houses. We don’t have to tackle two problems at once. The issue of habitability is also an underestimated aspect; here in the forum we mainly talk about single-family houses where a few months of construction work can be managed when the owner changes. But with a block of 90 units, you can’t just evict everyone for months. And heat pump electricity is a watering can principle. The wealthy person in the 250 sqm new build with a heated fitness room in the basement (used one hour per week ;) ) benefits just as much from subsidized electricity as the tenant in the 20 sqm shoebox apartment. Every subsidy creates incentives and thus inevitably also misaligned incentives. I’ll just point to the BAFA-eligible ventilation + air-water heat pump monster units that everyone wanted to sell me. Or to the fact that we now have a geothermal borehole that will never pay off according to normal calculations, but was subsidized back then by BAFA (although we pay everything ourselves now due to system change).
 

SaniererNRW123

2022-11-18 13:47:11
  • #4

You don't have to. They are much easier to upgrade energetically than a single-family house. There are now serial processes where the windows are removed and then entire sections with curtain facade + new windows are installed using a crane + lift truck. With two workers + crane, you can renovate the entire facade + windows of half a block of houses in two weeks. This is currently happening at housing companies, for example. No dirt in the apartment, new radiators, and a heat pump fits perfectly.
 

Benutzer 1001

2022-11-18 14:08:18
  • #5
Just received the email that it will be increased from 16 cents to 30 cents, base price of €8.90 remains the same. That now means for us from €60 to €113 monthly installment for a 250 square meter house, which is still okay but still has its flavor.
 

WilderSueden

2022-11-18 14:27:08
  • #6
At this point, I was concerned about the switch to low temperature. The facade is the small problem, even without a serial process. Back then, we had an energy retrofit in the student dormitory (perhaps it wasn't such a good idea not to charge heating costs by consumption...). You just have a scaffold in front of the window for a while and the day for the window replacement. But I am of the opinion that if we want to go to a heat pump, then we should really move into the low temperature range and not just the "barely works" zone. In winter, we will still generate electricity from fossil sources for a long time, so it makes more sense to generate heat directly and not go the detour via electricity.
 

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