200 m² maisonette in an existing building, interior (almost) fully customizable

  • Erstellt am 2021-03-03 15:55:39

misterNES

2021-03-04 23:00:12
  • #1


Ok, I think I understand what you mean. It’s funny, you mostly start from your own perspective, which is exactly why it’s good to register on a forum like this.

My own childhood room wasn’t particularly large (with a big apartment you tend to spend more time elsewhere playing/reading etc., and the "library" in the plan will probably serve more as a playroom, music room, or something else), my childhood bathroom (shared with my sister) had no window, in the bathtub in the parents’ bathroom I spent many happy hours splashing in the foam, later also when they retrofitted their shower with a steam bath function. The hallway at my parents’ house also has no natural light, but does have plenty of lamps.

Sure, 30 years ago things were built differently than today and looking back there is definitely room for improvement here too. I just want to suggest that as a child the expectations might not be as high as one sometimes thinks.

Compared to the "classic" single-family house, my plan obviously has the big disadvantage that due to the location of the apartment in the building and the location of the building itself, the entire east side as well as most of the north side have no windows. Unfortunately, nothing can be done about that, but hey, I look at it positively, two sides with windows are still better than one (especially with south and west) and since we’re relatively high up, quite a bit of light comes in. Having natural light in every single room including the wardrobe and hallway is simply very difficult or impossible to accomplish. Possibly in the basement with frosted glass doors and upstairs from the stairway to the roof terrace, so it won’t be that bad.



Here I completely agree with you. I will clarify this with the architect as soon as possible and then the plan will be adjusted again. I’ll keep you posted. :)

Thanks again for all the answers so far. If you have any more ideas or want to turn the whole plan upside down, don’t let that stop you. :p
 

ypg

2021-03-05 16:48:11
  • #2

I don’t believe in using your own "Back then I had" status as a comparison. Whatever...

I once pushed the walls around concerning a staircase layout... but I’m deleting that now because I need the project layer, so here it is immortalized again ;)

 

icandoit

2021-03-05 19:23:17
  • #3


I had planned something like that back then as well. But never implemented it.

Reasons: The room would have to be relatively darkened to produce a usable image. Price, today there are already 85" 4K QLEDs for 2k. Great picture even in daylight. Larger hardly makes sense in a living room.
 

misterNES

2021-03-06 09:34:14
  • #4


Wow, thanks for your effort! I find the staircase from the basement to the upper floor a very interesting alternative. Statics would have to be checked, as one of the few load-bearing walls is being broken through. The (relatively spacious) hallway/wardrobe loses area and storage space; here, you can either move the door to the office (room 7) slightly to the left, so that cabinets fit on the right, or consider a solution under the staircase.

On the upper floor, you have created space for an efficient access to the roof terrace, which is great. Otherwise, I am a bit more skeptical. The corridor feels more like it has become bigger rather than smaller (perhaps generally unavoidable for the terrace access). Whether one wants more light in the corridor or in the dressing room and master bedroom is probably a matter of opinion. I agree that the bedroom doesn’t need much light. In the dressing room, it would be nice, and then a direct connection to the bathroom. Does the size really only allow for one shared family bathroom? Or would the utility room at the bottom right be the children's bathroom? My dream of a fitness area would then probably not be realizable.

I will also ask the architect if it might somehow be possible to simply have the staircase from the upper floor to the terrace above the staircase from the basement to the upper floor, maybe that could work out.



Yes, the arguments are familiar to me. My father has been a home cinema enthusiast for a long time; already as a teenager, I loved watching on the screen in the living room, so the demands on my own home are quite high.

At first, I had a hard time finding a suitable place for a large TV (plus appropriate surround speakers) in the existing plan without permanently blocking a window. When it’s off, you have the large black screen in the entire room’s field of view. Since the room is very bright from the afternoon (and also for a long time in summer), depending on the arrangement, I would either be facing the sun while watching TV or probably have extreme reflections on the TV. A smart (KNX) darkening system is planned anyway. And modern projectors like the Optoma UHZ 4000 are said to work well even in daylight. If the projector and screen automatically come down at the push of a button and the living area is darkened, I could already imagine that quite well. Of course, you don’t watch as quickly as you do with the TV.

Maybe I’m just convincing myself... ;) Where do you see the best place for the TV?
 

ypg

2021-03-06 11:08:46
  • #5

But a load-bearing existing wall? I was just wondering that the staircase you have planned there also goes through it, and the sliding door in a solid wall also seems suspicious to me ;) The passage would then have to be supported, or does it already exist?

sorry, the writing is not included: the hallway has a fitness area by the windows behind the stairs. The area allows for 2-3 training machines, a mirror and a ballet barre or a TV. The hallway has somewhat of a living area. There would also be space for storage for terrace stuff.

ONE decides, if a window is available, per living room, i.e. children's room and, if applicable, storage room. That is not a personal opinion! You have the structural windows, you have the historic preservation... The bathroom is here between the dressing room and the bedroom. I just didn't draw walls because some like it open and it works well here. The toilets would be almost exactly above each other. That would be important for implementation!

In the shaded recess!
.......... You see the problem yourself that the large area entails. It doesn’t work without compromises. I see the problem that you have focused on wellness area and chic light-flooded flow with you and the children’s rooms get what is left over. You can do it that way, after all you bring home the money... but the planning is really not satisfying. See fitness area, no stairs, utility room not nicely usable. And the drawn armchair in the dressing room is also just in the way. To me, the upper floor also looks rather like playing around, as I do myself: I draw something back and forth for an hour and furnish it just for fun. Here, the carpet has already been laid in the bedroom :eek: If there is feedback and the floor plan works, I am happy to continue and optimize. If something really doesn’t work at all, I say so and stop (I am not paid to have to perform something)
Here, in my opinion, the planner made the mistake of listening to you like “we would like this and that, dressing room and fitness and so on”, “oh, and two children are also planned”, wants to please you and draws the parent area room flow for you in the “nicest corner” of the upper floor. Even details are drawn into the shower (p.s. totally inadequate shower in the master bath, by the way), but the problem of planning the upper floor is not really taken care of. Then it is simply stopped. Now you have the problem of getting rid of infatuation (I mean, who doesn't like having pull-outs instead of drawers in the dressing room?) I bet if you already had one or two small children, then the two children’s rooms would be lovingly equipped with play corner and little beds (I looked again in front, the planner is an interior designer, which you can see), while bedroom and dressing room would be more like placeholder rooms.
You won’t get it perfect upstairs anyway. But you will get it functional and nice even with the given specifications.
Look here: The OP has much bigger problems with daylight. Somewhere between the posts I posted examples of how to get daylight into the house. For you, as I mentioned already, roof windows can also be used.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/mehrgenerationenhaus-baut-alte-scheune-um-200m2-auf-3-5-ha-grund.38055/

He probably realized that it doesn’t work like THAT. A fresh start is usually unavoidable then.
 

ypg

2021-03-06 19:18:08
  • #6
Me again :) I haven't deleted it yet... and regarding the load-bearing wall and the stairs, here is another idea - at least it is close to yours, but fair to everyone ;) P.s. The stairs are now on top of each other and the kids can also use the fitness pool
 

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