Why is financing so difficult?

  • Erstellt am 2015-10-06 21:45:05

Legurit

2015-11-06 10:08:36
  • #1
I just prophesy that it won't even be listed there – I've rarely seen a construction specification where the exact execution was really discussed. Often there are things like "Brand roof tile from Dachmeyer," "Villeroy and Bach fittings," or "Tiles in the WC with a tile value of 150 € / m²" – everything that is easily digestible and sounds good. I don't even know if the big GUs (or any GU/GÜ/BU) would agree to include execution details beyond the measure in the construction specification... (I somewhat doubt it)
 

Evolith

2015-11-06 10:13:45
  • #2
We have. He simply justified it with the volume. Heinz von Heiden builds significantly more houses than the other companies we inquired with.
Whether there are differences in the details, he logically could not say either.
Anyway. I don't think we need to discuss Heinz von Heiden here either. That belongs in another thread.
 

ypg

2015-11-06 12:01:30
  • #3


Sorry, but YOU know beforehand that the upstairs interior walls are constructed using prefabricated methods. And I don't necessarily see the disadvantage now: we also have that, and in a parallel thread from last week, the type of interior walls is being discussed (noise problems with solid construction).



These are - said very neutrally - small things like containers, toilets, painting work on the cornice boxes... there might be a few more small things that I don’t know about... you can also book them additionally, then the offer just gets more expensive.



That applies to almost every construction company and has nothing to do with the mentioned Heinz von Heiden.



Cross out a zero ... yes, then it makes sense.



I think one should not equate the offer price with the offer itself. I believe Evolith has already included one or the other extra so that the larger positions are covered. Unfortunately, sampling costs always occur during construction even with every frugal family, which you have to factor in.

Heinz von Heiden certainly has a bad reputation among critical observers. But you can build a house with a smaller budget. There are some who forego 2 cm of insulation and therefore don’t need the ultimate soundproof wall or the parquet floors throughout that are already priced in the construction specifications. Also, the (non-)accessible roof structure is an issue with Heinz von Heiden. But that doesn’t have to mean it becomes a house full of defects; you can experience that even with more expensive companies.

I think the problem here is not Heinz von Heiden (deliberately and understandably favored by the OP) but the casual handling of money and the sugarcoating of deals and bargains.
 

Bauexperte

2015-11-06 19:09:13
  • #4

Ack; but that is rather the rare exception.

On closer inspection, Heinz von Heiden (and all similarly positioned providers) is actually the expensive choice and not the provider who advertises a good (middle) standard from the start. It always surprises me that potential builders - and Musketier asked the right question about this - do not question the seemingly cheaper provider, but always the one who is - supposedly and superficially considered - "more expensive."

I have often experienced this form of (omitted) justification among IBG customers. After Nord and Süd went into regular insolvency, I visited several shell constructions along with experts and architects during the evidence preservation proceedings. At the latest at this point, I have not understood how people, all of whom are naturally endowed with common sense, could have ever agreed to this provider.

Rhenish greetings
 

ypg

2015-11-06 21:32:13
  • #5


Why are you surprised? Just ask this question to get answers from the group of potential builders who choose Heinz von Heiden, SH, or similar companies
 

Pumbaa

2015-11-06 21:43:32
  • #6
I have been wondering the whole time how far the planning has progressed (number of sockets, etc.), especially since there apparently are major problems with the financing according to the initial post..
 

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