Which smart lamps are suitable for Matter?

Why should someone switch to Matter now if they are doing very well with System XY and have good experiences with it?

We are now only talking about the normal radio systems such as Bosch, Shelly, Eve, etc.
The premium systems like KNX, Loxone, etc. will of course remain better, especially KNX, but for KNX you need the wiring and that is the big problem with retrofitting.

Matter and the current island systems actually have mostly retrofitters as customers.

If someone currently has a working system, they will not switch, but if they want to expand their current system and their current system is compatible with Matter, then they would take a Matter-compatible product to expand it (which their system might not even have offered yet).

Making something compatible does not mean 100% interoperable at the same time. Warning pure speculation: there will again be a number of special cases where everyone will praise their system as the best. Even in the future there will be incompatibilities despite the agreement. Some devices will then not be 100% integrable, etc.

That is supposed to be regulated by the Matter licensing.
All products that get the Matter logo through licensing shall be 100% compatible, i.e. when searching for a new product you only have to look for the Matter logo (that is the plan).

The examples you mentioned are still complete beginners in the home automation market despite their size.

Which examples would you name for wireless retrofit solutions in the smart home sector?

If someone currently has a working system, they will not retrofit, but if they want to expand their current system and their current system is compatible with Matter, then they would take a Matter-compatible product for expansion

Why should someone switch to Matter with a functioning system (which doesn't change the system itself, only the radio standard is different)? Matter is an add-on, but in my opinion not decisive for purchasing.

What examples would you give for radio retrofit solutions in the smart home sector?

What do you want to make "smart" and how? Radio or Wi-Fi? If not Wi-Fi, then why not?

Why should you switch to Matter with a working system (which doesn’t actually change the system itself, only the radio standard is different)? Matter is an add-on, but in my opinion not decisive for purchasing.

The official radio standards of Matter are

Wifi, Thread, and Bluetooth (only for setup), and there is also LAN.

All other radio standards must be integrated via their own manufacturer bridges. This way, for example, a Bosch sensor can switch a Tp-Link socket.

I’m starting from zero now and want to start as future-proof as possible with wireless, so I actually thought Matter would be the best choice.
I also thought that manufacturers will switch to Matter anyway in the future, but that will most likely take a while because their own systems are compatible with Matter via bridges and therefore have no time pressure.

What do you want to make “smart”? Wireless or WLAN? If no WLAN, then why not?

I want to start first with roller shutter switches and lighting and then expand gradually.

Behind the TV, I would also like to retrofit Ambilight (without camera); you probably can’t get around Philips Hue there anyway.

In the dining area, the lamps should be dimmable and the white tone adjustable, and more lamps should be switchable, and in the living room they should also be colored to include them in the Ambilight.

That would be the start for now and then keep expanding.

Later also window sensors (preferably those hidden in the handle like the Hoppe Enocean ones).

I want to start first with roller shutter switches and lights and then gradually expand later.

Shellys also work excellently for that. Or Sonoff.

I would also like to retrofit Ambilight behind the TV (without camera), you probably can't avoid Philips Hue anyway

A 20€ LED strip from Aliexpress works. With WiFi, app, Alexa and even camera integration (currently only from the phone).

In the dining area, the lamps should be dimmable

Any system can do that as well. I don't have that, because I don't dim but have different lamps for different scenarios.

the white tone adjustable

That excludes actuators like Shelly. So the HUE lamp (or Ikea or whatever) and put it on the WiFi.

That would be the start and then keep expanding

What does that mean? So far you are not doing anything for which you need Matter.

We are now only talking about the normal radio systems like e.g. Bosch, Shelly, Eve, etc.

Yes, we are talking about systems for beginners with manageable functions and possibilities.

The premium systems like KNX, Loxone, etc. will of course remain better, especially KNX, but for KNX you need the wiring and that is the big problem with retrofitting.

No, there are no problems with retrofitting, just to be clear. But this thread is not about KNX and co.

Matter and the current island systems actually have exclusively retrofitters as customers.

Yes, certainly. But among them there is a not insignificant number of those who nevertheless need (semi-)professional help. Even just to connect and set up a simple Shelly.

If someone currently has a working system they will not switch, but if they want to expand their current system and their current system is compatible with Matter, then they would take a Matter compatible product to expand (which their system may not even have offered yet)

Why should they do that? Why should someone take a Matter compatible product if the other one also does the job? Only in the single case when one needs one or the other function that can only be solved with Matter. But then additional costs for the bridge, etc. come along, and some wonder if that is even necessary.

That should be regulated by the Matter licensing. All products that receive the Matter logo through licensing should be 100% compatible, i.e. when looking for a new product you just have to look for the Matter logo (that's the plan)

So the plan...

The official radio standards of Matter are Wifi, Thread, and Bluetooth (only for setup) and there is also LAN. All other radio standards have to be connected via their own manufacturer bridges. This way, for example, a Bosch sensor can switch a Tp-Link socket.

Yes, you don’t have to explain interoperability to us here. However, there are very, very many "buts". It always sounds very nice and yes, you can then switch the socket. But suddenly the status cannot be read anymore or is not transmitted when a "foreign sensor" switches, or the consumption data can only be read via the TP-Link app, etc.

I’m starting from zero now and want to start as future-proof as possible with radio, so I actually thought Matter would be the best choice

Umm, no. Then you are an early adopter with all the pros and cons. But yes, those also have to exist.

I also thought that manufacturers would all switch to Matter in the future anyway

Reasons?

No, there are no problems with retrofitting, just to make that clear. But the thread isn’t about KNX and co.

How can you retrofit KNX without having to tear open the walls for the bus cable?
Would you equip the whole house with KNX RF? I thought that KNX RF was only for KNX extensions and not suitable as a pure wireless solution.

Why should he do that? Why should you take a Matter compatible product if the other one also works? Only in the one case where one or the other function is needed that can only be solved with Matter. But then there are costs for the bridge etc., and some wonder whether that is even necessary.

If, for example, the wireless system does not have a roller shutter switch, then you take the roller shutter switch from another manufacturer that is also compatible with Matter.

For the thread, you don’t need a bridge, you only need a border router, which can later be Amazon Echos or, for example, Google Nest Wifi Router/Access Point.

With Matter, it’s just about being able to combine different manufacturers like with KNX as you want.

what exactly would you recommend if you were retrofitting a smart home? (without having to tear open the walls)
You also have to have a wireless connection.

Should you take WiFi? I could imagine there might be problems if there are too many devices on WiFi
(what happens if you get a new router – do you have to reconnect every device to the WiFi?)

Or would you recommend another wireless standard? If yes, which one?

Can you say exactly which system or type of system you would recommend?