What can we finance?

  • Erstellt am 2019-01-21 21:24:04

Musketier

2019-01-25 08:32:28
  • #1
If I sold the house after 10 years for the value of 30k €, I would have 239k € in hand. As a tenant at 1% interest only the 167k €. That makes a plus of 72k € for me.
 

Steffen80

2019-01-25 08:34:39
  • #2


But that is very speculative. Statistically speaking, the stock market is definitely safer. Only the Germans with their fear of the stock market haven't realized that yet..
 

Musketier

2019-01-25 08:53:33
  • #3


If you relate that to the value of the house, then I do believe it will rather increase because we are located directly in the commuter belt of Dresden. From here, I can get to the city center faster in 20 minutes than some Dresden residents.

In the newly developed building area, plots are offered for over €200. Back then, ours were still €80. But I haven't factored that in at all yet; if you take it very precisely, I assumed a price increase equivalent to the depreciation of the house, meaning a maintenance of value.

If you are referring to the 1%, that didn't come from me, but rather around 4-6%. However, even in the stock market, 10 years is the value one should be willing to invest for if one wants to get back their capital plus interest with reasonable certainty. The tendency is rather longer. But if I now consider a longer period >15 years, then our loan is already paid off.

I know you can do the calculation one way or another. If I now compare with an 85m² apartment, the renter wins.
 

Steffen80

2019-01-25 09:24:34
  • #4
The value of a house actually never rises, it only ever falls (depreciation)..if anything rises, then it is the land. Whether land prices will continue to rise as sharply as before is pure speculation. If interest rates eventually rise significantly again (and they really have to)...what do you think will happen then? The circle of people who can finance 500..600k (and that is the minimum needed, because construction prices certainly won’t fall, that has never happened) at a few percent interest will shrink significantly. Added to this is that people with relatively high incomes prefer to build themselves rather than buy existing properties. So who is supposed to buy all these houses then? Also, there is the massively aging population that will want to move out of these houses (because they are too big). All in all, not so rosy...small houses in the best locations might be better..larger houses in not quite so good locations will almost certainly not gain in value. We have a AAA location (big city + large lake right on the doorstep) and still I am sure that currently no one would pay the already invested 1.2 million for our house. I’d guess max. 900k...and even then the buyer pool here in the east is probably extremely small. If at all, this "layer" builds themselves. I just hope never to have to sell, even though I would really like to build again.
 

BauBob7

2019-01-25 09:42:11
  • #5


The reserve must be removed there, or would you hand it over to a potential buyer after 10 years?

You give me 300k, I give you a house and 30k reserve? Nonsense.

Similarly, you can easily factor in an appreciation. Even Kommer, the biggest single-family house hater there is, sees that houses increase in value by one percent above inflation.

Realistically, you can assume at least 400k after 10 years. In the greater Dresden area, house prices are currently rising by 8 percent p.a. according to the DTI index.
 

Musketier

2019-01-25 09:46:17
  • #6


Accounting-wise I agree with you. However, on the other hand, there is also inflation.
With the targeted level of 2%, it is roughly at the same level as depreciation.
As long as you don’t let the house deteriorate completely but use reserves to always do some maintenance, the house should also retain a similar value.

Assuming there is a larger increase in interest rates, the market will of course change, and houses at a normal level will certainly be easier to sell than your house. I agree with you on that.
However, at present, I can’t imagine interest rates rising massively again. The next crisis is already at the doorstep and here in Europe we haven’t even started raising the key interest rate yet.
Either it crashes hard and the EU breaks apart, then I also see higher interest rates again for Germany, or we keep drifting along at a low level (below 3%).
 

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