Typical house floor plan, gable end on the short side

As I said, if this is too much 'double posting', I’m happy to close it.)

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I assumed that standard long eave floor plans are not necessarily suitable for cross eaves – but I’m happy to be proven wrong. I look at promotional houses to check whether this (supposedly) cheaper way besides an architect’s plan is even an option for us.

You forget the statics. The house or the roof needs load-bearing walls, which reverses depending on eave/ridge. You can forget about a promotional house right away. But I don’t understand your thoughts now about choosing a promotional house, which usually offers no freedom at all and is actually only suitable for a very simple plot with a corresponding development plan. A general contractor house is difficult but definitely feasible. Furthermore, general contractors often offer free planning. I’m personally out of your previous thread because your constant changes of plots didn’t seem coherent. Suddenly there you read about a bungalow with a cellar. I have the feeling that things will be somewhat confusing here as well because you start in the middle and now hand in everything little by little. Besides, the development plan does allow for hip roofs, doesn’t it? (Textual specification) First of all: where is the reference value for the height?

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You are forgetting the statics. The house or the roof needs load-bearing walls, which reverses depending on eave/ridge.
You can forget promotional houses right away.

In principle, that is already the answer to my question.

But I don't understand your thoughts about going for a promotional house, which usually offers no freedom at all and is actually only suitable for a very simple plot with the corresponding development plan.

See above: In principle, as I said, my original question was: Are there standard/promotional houses for such a plot / requirements.

A turnkey house is difficult, but definitely doable. Additionally, general contractors often offer free planning.

I know. I confess: I am quite dissatisfied with the GC planning for the smaller plot (see other thread). Therefore, our path, as said, for both plots is rather towards an architect. Certainly also more for this plot - I just wanted to explore/exclude options here.

I am personally out of your previous thread, because it didn't feel consistent with your constant switching of plots. Suddenly one read about a bungalow with a basement.

No problem. The thread was still quite helpful for us.

I have the feeling that it will be somewhat confusing here as well, since you start in the middle and now add everything little by little.

As said: after creating the thread it also seemed rather redundant to me. Hence my suggestion to close / let it die. Specifically, I was originally only concerned with the question: Does anyone know examples of 1.5-story houses with cross eaves off the shelf?

Also, doesn't the development plan allow hipped roofs? (Textual provision)

Yes - however, I assumed (also here - I could be mistaken) that one quickly ends up with a full second story.

First: where is the reference height value?

The top edge of the ground floor finished floor:

Yes - however, I assumed (also: here - I could be mistaken) that you quickly end up at the 2nd full storey.

True.

The top edge of the ground floor finished floor level:

Reference point. Again: at what height is the reference point? After all, you must not build 152.00 something high. It may also be that I am overlooking something in the plan. But it is also not my task to solve busy pictures. So again: how high is the house allowed to be?

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You are confusing something there: standard houses are functioning standard houses for which the statics already exist. The house design fits a wide and large target group and is versatile. If the plot has a poor orientation or other requirements, the house can usually be modified without great effort. Other personal changes are also possible. A promotional house is much more extreme. It is usually the low-budget house from the home builder company, which has been further slimmed down. Hardly anything is changeable there, if anything at all.

I admit: I am quite dissatisfied with the general contractor plans for the smaller plot (see other thread).

You also have to say something when you speak. With what, with whom and why are you dissatisfied? I actually expect a small novel from you now, at least a 5-liner, to make some progress here.

Is the arithmetic unit here ... The highest point before the southern property is 147.80, the eaves height may be up to 152.00, so 4.40 m, the ridge height may be up to 158.5, so a total building height of 10.7 m, if I have calculated and checked correctly.

Correct.

Reference point. Again: at what height is the reference point. After all, you are not allowed to build up to 152.00 something.
It may also be that I overlook something in the plan. But it is also not my job to solve hidden object puzzles.
So again: how high is the house allowed to be?

I understand. The specifications are above Normalhöhennull (NHH) and the nearest measured point is in the middle of the adjacent street at 147.8 NHH. But: there is still about 30-50cm slope to the building window. So the ridge height is approximately 10m. I am unsure whether / where one can read this more precisely from the plan.

You are confusing something: model houses are functional standard houses with existing static calculations. The house design fits a wide and large target group and is versatile. If the plot has a poor orientation or other requirements, the house can usually be modified without much effort. Other personal changes are also possible.
An action house is much more extreme. It is usually the low-budget house from the home builder company, which has been further stripped down. There is hardly anything changeable there, if anything at all.

Yes, I just wanted to check whether one of the supposedly cheaper options – (i) a minimally altered model house or (ii) an unaltered action house – even comes into question. The reason: the larger west plots cost about EUR 130,000 more compared to the smaller east plot. Therefore, we would forego a basement on the west plots, while the east plot is planned with a basement. But I think your assessment matches my previous research: action house rather no, and model house only if the price advantage through the gable adjustment is not lost.

Since we want to install a lot of photovoltaics (and we also have to for the scoring and successful awarding of the plot), we have already considered talking to the building authority about rotating the gable. A roof with south-southeast orientation would certainly be better for photovoltaics than the current southwest-west roof (I know – there are two roof sides, so the argument is only moderately convincing). In addition, there are enough precedent cases for gable-end houses in the adjacent street. However, I do not have high hopes.

You also have to say something when you speak.
With what, with whom and why are you dissatisfied? I am actually expecting a short novel from you now, at least a 5-liner, to make progress here.

I did not want to open this can of worms here (yet), since we do not yet have the final plot from the allocation process – which makes discussions difficult because of the large differences between the plots while keeping the budget constant.

Specifically, we are currently here:

Currently against general contractors (GUs) -> so far we do not feel well advised there (initially only regarding the east plot, see other thread):

- The consultations of the 4 previous GUs were unpleasantly sales-oriented and aimed at closing in 2024. This is basically understandable due to bonuses – but we specifically pointed out to all of them that a standard floor plan (for the small east plot, 2.5 stories, semi-detached style with basement) is sufficient for an initial cost overview. Constantly having to defend why we would like more than a week for the contract decision (plot confirmation only beginning of December!) was/is tiring.

- One of the GU salespeople did not even have the correct gable orientation in mind and forgot that we wanted to build with a basement on the small plot. The design was therefore fairly useless.

- Another salesperson suddenly came with a flat roof... I am obviously a beginner in reading a building permit (see above). However, I would have expected a bit more from prefab house salespeople.

- So far we are not convinced by any GU salesperson’s design of the ‘detached semi-detached house’.

Pro architect -> we feel personally more competently advised there – we currently assume that we will begin with the concrete, commissioned needs assessment after acquiring the final plot.

- Pro architect was especially for us the much more pleasant conversation, already supported with examples by the architect, the connection to local providers, the multiple recommendations in acquaintances and colleagues, and the knowledge of the building area.

- However, we have not yet discussed the west plot with him. The general differences regarding price security, liability, HOAI are reasonably clear to us (and also that we can plan with an external architect and build with a general contractor).

As said: we are still playing through the quite different building options pre-contractually, waiting for the plot allocation, and plan to then plan more concretely. More specific forum questions will surely arise then.

Here is the calculation engine ...
The highest point before the more southern property is 147.80, the eaves height may go up to 152.00, so 4.40 m, the ridge height may go up to 158.5, so a total house height of 10.7 m, if I calculated and looked correctly.

Thanks, Kerstin.
If I roughly estimate it correctly, for a house with a length of 12 meters at 32 degrees, you are just at the allowed height.
You would probably be on the safe side with an 11 meter length when it comes to a rough drawing/calculation. That would still give you about 6 meters of living space with standing height in the attic.

talking to the building authority about rotating the gable.

Hehe, that was a good joke. You have a newly developed development plan in a new housing area. That applies.

adjacent street has enough precedents for gable-facing houses.

Adjacent streets are not precedents, but simply a different development area with different rules.

The larger western plots cost about 130,000 EUR more compared to the smaller eastern plot.

Which eastern plot? You expect a bit too much from a user here if suddenly you come up with options that were never mentioned in the initial thread.
You just have to weigh how important underground space is. I find 9.50 width for the house and a wider plot very appealing.

I did not want to open that can of worms here (yet), as we do not yet have the final plot from the allocation procedure -

I hope there won’t be a third thread?!!
You can continue to use this thread even after a break.

the consultations with the 4 previous general contractors were unpleasantly sales-oriented

What do you expect? You don’t even have a plot yet, any inquiry is rather negative because you have expectations that no one can or wants to meet.

- one of the GU sellers did not even have the correct gable orientation in mind, forgot that we wanted to build with a basement in case of the small plot. So the design was quite useless.

Exactly. €3000/sqm is unavoidable anyway. Everything else is interchangeable and not really necessary to know.

so far none of the GU seller’s designs for the 'detached semi-detached house' convinced us.

Pro architect -> We feel personally better advised there -

.. because he has completely different tasks than a seller.
I’ll put it this way: at the moment you don’t have to storm the doors of experts, nor can you expect them to go into meticulous advance work.
Personally, I still see the builder himself responsible for engaging with the plot and the house.
That means: also get out of the car sometimes, take in the air and the space.
Get familiar with the plot cut. Later at home, sketch on graph paper, 2D from above, what would be possible in terms of floor area, then 2D from the side: what room you get with the known numbers.
If you do not conform at all to the known grid of all the standard houses (regardless of the house shape, they all have almost the same grid), and somehow you just don’t want the staircase as you imagine it, then after review an architect might be advantageous. In 80% of cases (here I also see no reason) you can get along well with a regional general contractor. Most have an architect from the area who works for them. Larger contractors have employees: architects as well as stamp-collecting approvals officers and sellers. There you become just a number eventually. But that doesn’t have to be a disadvantage.
Therefore:
engage with the ground, sketch, if necessary ask here. Then you will see more clearly.