Tips for house construction companies in South Baden-Württemberg

  • Erstellt am 2021-01-23 10:27:49

WilderSueden

2021-01-23 19:22:27
  • #1
As far as I know, you can get in there as an outsider as well, at least partially. In Geisingen, I believe there was one that was only for locals.
 

Construbo

2021-01-23 21:08:46
  • #2

We would also be interested in these large GUs; could you please name them? Thank you very much!
 

11ant

2021-01-23 21:45:44
  • #3
What do you expect from them - especially since it is often explained here why the not-so-big GCs are often more recommendable?
 

Construbo

2021-01-23 22:15:32
  • #4
Please excuse the misunderstanding; I was unclear. To be open and honest, I am not entirely clear about the differences between the various provider categories. Besides the prefabricated house manufacturers (timber frame/solid), there are so-called GCs (which providers would be exemplary here?) and individual trade contracting via architect/structural engineer? Is that correct? The latter category is our priority, and we will soon be seeking conversations with individual providers.
 

11ant

2021-01-24 02:06:44
  • #5
!!! Package insert - user manual for laypersons: the following text should only be thoroughly chewed and swallowed. That means, one should hallucinate a line break and a blank line behind every sentence end. I only wrote continuous text here because otherwise it would have become a page as tall as a man. !!!


I am beginning to realize that you probably understood even less than you yourself are aware of. So, let’s start right from Abraham:
Under the term "prefabricated house" you apparently collect all providers of a "finished house" in the sense of a "turnkey building" and basically see two ways, namely this one and, in contrast or alternatively, the composition of individual trades.
There is also a concept of "prefabricated house" in common usage, which there means a prefabricated house. That means a house is not completely site-built on the construction site but in two phases; namely, the shell is constructed wall panel by wall panel in a production hall and then transported by low-loader truck to the construction site, and there it is erected and the interior finishing is carried out. The majority of manufacturers of such houses practice this method with wooden frame panels (incorrectly, but commonly called "timber studs"). Due to weight, it is more difficult to transport and therefore done by far fewer manufacturers, but this is also possible with porous bricks, expanded clay or other "stone materials." There are also "solid wood" wall panels of various construction types, which are medium weight and newest on the market.
All "prefab" house manufacturers are general contractors ("GU") or, insofar as they offer "shell houses," shell general contractors, but do not call themselves that. The term GU is often only used for those GUs who traditionally build site-constructed houses ("stone on stone"), i.e. "masonry." General contractor means, from a commercial perspective, to act as the sole contractual counterpart of the builder, i.e. as a builder to offer all trades of the house construction – at least the shell – and to employ the craftsmen of the finishing trades as their employees or subcontractors. For the builder, this means: one signature and a package price. General contractors offer their services both in architect tenders and directly to builders themselves. Many builders naïvely consider architects to be merely draftmakers, which is why they perceive their fees as unnecessarily high and would like to have this service "under the table cheaper." Many GUs have recognized this, themselves hired architects, and now offer house construction including planning services. Very particularly, over-clever builders want to save even more and consider it the smartest way to assign trades individually, as they dream of summing the respective cheapest contract lots. At this point, stinginess would bite its own tail, because then they would be missing the "cost-nothing-extra" architect of the GU. So some GUs act as shell general contractors including permit planning and let the builder continue to dream in peace of his over-cleverness. There are just several perspectives here. The one I consider the wisest is to plan your house with an architect – and not only up to approval, but turnkey in the figurative sense. That means the architect not only "draws" the house but also tenders the contract awarding (here again, I consider it clever to let the architect also bid as GU on the contracts) and also oversees the construction management. And to overflow the barrel of learned terms, there are also property developers. These are GUs who buy land and resell it in a package with houses built on it. For liquidity reasons, they increasingly do this not as was common earlier with already finished houses, but with contracts to begin building houses only after signing. The buyer can still significantly influence the planning here, feels thus like the builder (though legally he is not), and thus forgets the difference between GU and property developer (BT). As a result, housebuilding interested parties generally babble of "property developers" after contacts with BT, even if they mean a GU.

Look here in the section "Experiences with house building companies" in combination with the names of the nearest district towns around your building site (and/or with names of regional builders you already know) – there you will encounter reviews of such companies and their competitors. If all else fails ;-) you can also add gmx (de) behind my member name, as long as you are not yet part of the round table of forum intramail PN authorized persons. But first, sit down safely, breathe deeply, as said chew well before swallowing, and if necessary order a Doornkaat from Günni – now you know, cheers :-)
 

WilderSueden

2021-01-24 09:06:42
  • #6
Besides what 11ant said, there are still a few things to consider regarding the price. GUs (including prefab house providers and developers) add a flat rate for themselves (and it's not little), but usually offer a fixed price. That has the usual pitfalls like pattern upgrades and client-provided services, but the fixed price is relatively firm. With individual contracts, the architect gets paid for the tenders and coordination but usually does not take on the cost risk. Accordingly, it is important to work with an architect who works with proper estimates from the start. There are plenty of stories here in the forum about architects where a 20% cost overrun is normal. Which of the two variants is best is certainly a matter of taste. With individual contracts, you can certainly save a few euros, but you bear the cost risk.
 

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