TGA planner difficulties, underfloor heating supply temperature + wastewater ventilation

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-15 10:22:47

Pacmansh

2022-11-16 08:27:07
  • #1
No no, it’s not that extreme. Previously, a central exhaust system with a fan on the roof was planned and supply air through window rebate ventilators. Now the exhaust system on the roof is no longer there and individual exhaust fans are being installed. Energetically, that’s crap, I’m aware of that. But a controlled residential ventilation system was neither financially nor with this developer setup feasible. Heat recovery was never planned.
 

Pacmansh

2022-11-16 08:30:13
  • #2


Possibly the roof solution is still feasible, but it will be a tight squeeze. I am mostly worried about the noise levels. In the utility room it doesn’t matter, in the kitchen it is probably quite well shielded behind cabinets, but I’m not sure (there is enough supply air), in the bathrooms I find it hard to assess.
 

Pacmansh

2022-11-24 16:02:21
  • #3
So, we haven't made progress on the topic of ventilation, but the heating issue can more or less be considered settled. The underfloor heating has been installed, and I walked through the house with the inspector today. Overall, the inspector was very impressed with the construction quality and the installation of the underfloor heating. The heating installers just didn't follow the plans and added an extra heating circuit both upstairs and downstairs. The spacing of the pipes also looks great, and the lengths of the heating circuits are nicely indicated on the heating circuit distributors everywhere. So now I finally know them too. There is a heating circuit in the kitchen area with 116m, another with 97m, and the rest are under 90m.

Attached are three pictures: one of the living/dining area/kitchen and the two bathrooms. I am very satisfied with everything; I hope you don't see it much differently.


 

xMisterDx

2022-12-12 23:35:51
  • #4


A bit late... but rest assured. I am currently running it in, for a few days now 40°C flow temperature has been maintained, the outside temperature here last night was -7°C and inside the house it was a "cozy"(?) 24°C. Installation spacing slightly wider than yours, no Styrofoam on the exterior wall, "only" gas concrete 36.5cm.

And flow between 30 and 35°C doesn't make the difference between a Porsche Cayenne or a Corsa with an air-water heat pump. There are studies on that... your installer's opinion... yeah... Who do you ask with a 40°C fever? The doctor's assistant? Or the doctor?
 

Pacmansh

2022-12-13 09:18:15
  • #5
Thank you for the feedback. As far as the heating is concerned, I am now initially satisfied as well. We will see what temperature ultimately comes out; the important thing is first of all that the possibility exists to optimize it. The 20° design temperature in the living rooms is quite tight anyway. However, with the distances now in place, it should not be a problem to get higher here.


Who is who for you? I was simply scared that the planners would plan something and the craftsmen would build accordingly. That a heating installer would say, "What kind of nonsense is this, I’ll just do it properly!" I did not expect. I could have saved myself the trouble beforehand.

A nice other example: The outside water tap was planned by the planner directly in the middle of the wall on the terrace. Where furniture is placed against the wall, larch as decoration on the wall, water then stays on the terrace decking ... And when you want to water the garden, you always have a hose lying over the garden furniture. I noticed it "in time" (that is, before completion of the sanitary installation).

End of the story: Open plastered wall, remove pipes, close up, plaster (inside and outside), drill new holes somewhere else in the finished plastered wall, chase wall for pipes, lay water pipes, close wall again and plaster. It cost me a total of €300 and I was very annoyed with the planner. But if I had told the planner to plan the water tap in a different place, he would probably have charged an additional €500 for planning effort. And because of such idiots, the craftsmen then have to do the work twice: disgusting.
 

Torti2022neu

2022-12-13 10:53:42
  • #6

Efficiency looks quite different though. You don't have an old building, do you?
For a new building, the flow temperature at these outside temperatures is a disaster - the heat pump can't do anything about that, but the planner who came up with this is to blame.
 

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