Controlled residential ventilation - Planning the positions for supply air / exhaust air

  • Erstellt am 2021-05-05 02:01:37

K1300S

2021-05-14 09:51:29
  • #1
Certainly. It's just that as a client, sometimes you have plans that contradict the proposal (of the manufacturer or installer), so they should be adjusted accordingly, but I would always start with a "technical" proposal.
 

netuser

2021-05-14 10:20:43
  • #2


We did that too.
At first, everything sounded great and plausible from a technical perspective, meaning with regard to airflow, etc., but in the end, adjustments had to be made because it was inappropriate directly above the bed or couch...

Regarding the "technical planning," I claim as a layperson that often not much is behind it.
Most planners consider 1-2 basic rules and place the supply/exhaust elements "arbitrarily" in the corners, as long as the airflow fits.
Even when it comes to distances from the walls, for example, you hear dozens of different opinions from the specialists. Some place the elements 20 cm from the wall without problems, others claim at least 50 cm is necessary, and others even 1.0 - 1.5 m...

Well. But as far as airflow is concerned, I can recommend entering the title of a research report into the search engine and skimming through the summary:
"Air Movements in Freely Ventilated Living Spaces"

I think this relativizes some of the persistent statements from forums and some "specialist planners."
 

mwinkelm

2021-05-15 00:48:27
  • #3

Exactly, and I think those are two important rules regarding the positioning of ceiling valves.


I see it the same way, ultimately a ceiling valve is the least noticeable for me since I rarely look at the ceiling. Also in terms of positioning, from my point of view, it is somewhat easier with ceiling valves than with wall or floor valves. For floor-to-ceiling windows, a floor valve in front of the window is of course optimal, as most likely no furniture will be placed there. But in our case, for example, a child’s room only has skylight windows, so a floor valve would be unfavorable here. And if you don’t use room-high furniture, then a ceiling valve can possibly even be above a cabinet (provided there is enough space below the valve).


As an alternative to enlarging this gap, we were suggested a frame ventilation (on the interior doors). Apart from the aesthetics, this variant may offer some advantages after a brief initial research (no impairment of soundproofing, no additional light through the larger gap). I still have to read a bit more about it.


That resonates with me. I have also read many different opinions here. Ultimately, I believe that it does not make such a significant difference whether my valve is 50 cm or 100 cm away from the wall. If I have to move it that far from the wall in a (possibly smaller) child’s room, then it almost inevitably lies above the play area, where the child may spend longer periods of time.


Interesting study, which, from my point of view, applies more specifically to this concrete floor plan or, let’s say, provides insights for similar situations (primarily single-floor apartments). Still interesting to read, possibly to put some myths to rest.

We’ve now had our conversation with the planner on the general contractor side. It was just as I thought. Basically, our task was rather: "How do you roughly want to furnish your future house?" We then discussed the locations of the valves together. Ultimately, I didn’t really get the impression that the general contractor often plans controlled residential ventilation systems. :rolleyes:

Much more interesting than the ceiling valves was the topic of the piping to distribute the air inside the house. We hadn’t considered this yet when planning the floor plan. Unfortunately, we only considered the option of controlled residential ventilation when the building application was already in process. Therefore, there will now be a small boxed-in area in the dining room and the child’s room above (under the sloped ceiling) shown in green in the pictures below, in which the large pipes will be accommodated.

Tip for everyone seriously considering controlled residential ventilation: Think about it directly in the floor plan and cleverly integrate the hiding of pipes, if necessary!

Here is an update of our planning (each arrow indicates a pipe at the valve):

Ground floor/basement (sloped site)

Upper floor
I think a supply air in the open living/dining area is necessary in this case since otherwise, on this floor, you would have no supply air.



Why actually no exhaust air in the pantry in your opinion?


Attic


The planner wants (probably for simplicity’s sake) to place supply and exhaust air at the façade at the same location and then use a combined weather protection grille. Is that OK, or are there very significant disadvantages and one should rather separate supply and exhaust air completely? Currently, it is planned on the west side of the house, which faces the neighbor. The south faces a low-traffic street.

Regarding the sizing of the system, I will now also try to use the tool from the manufacturer (it’s supposed to be Vallox). The planned values feel very tight.

Thanks to everyone!
 

K1300S

2021-05-15 07:14:54
  • #4
Unfortunately, that is not true. If air passes through, sound essentially travels along as a "passenger" as well. In fact, our door supplier mentioned that with soundproof doors it is important to fully foam the gap between the frame and the wall so that no sound bridge is created there. What he said regarding the frame ventilators in that context, I’d rather not repeat here. ;) Do you perhaps mean outdoor air and exhaust air? ;) I would think carefully about that, because otherwise there might be a "short circuit." Also, even if different sides of the building are used, the usual wind direction should be considered so that the exhaust air is not immediately drawn back in as outdoor air.
 

T_im_Norden

2021-05-15 08:09:19
  • #5
Two outlets per room because this allows the flow velocity to be kept low, and at the same time makes it possible to introduce higher quantities. In the storage room no people stay (supply air) and no odors or CO2 should be produced either (exhaust air).
 

AllThumbs

2021-05-15 11:16:49
  • #6
But, please do tell. What was his opinion on that? I'm also considering "pushing" the trade in that direction.
 

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