Suitable floor plans for all our requirements

2017-12-05 06:48:10

Ok, I will gradually include all the construction costs.

Cost Accounting V0.1 Flair 113

Item Cost Comment Land 75,000 € Actual prices fluctuate between 30,000 and 75,000 € Flair 113 153,030 € Underfloor heating bathroom 2,000 € Is this necessary in the guest toilet? --> definitely! How else do you want to get warmth in there? Such small rooms cool down very quickly.

Roller shutters ground floor upper floor 5,120 € Purely mechanical --> think carefully about this! Retrofitting is very cumbersome. My parents bitterly regretted not going for electric ones.

Painted plaster 0 € Included --> What quality? Q3? I rather guess Q2 and the quality is not sufficient for painting.

Tiles, laminate 0 € Included; Does this also apply to the upper floor? --> take a very close look at the construction service description. Tiles are included with a price per square meter. If you go over, you pay. Edge strips are rarely included, laminate is also very important, what kind of insulation is included and what abrasion class, that means here also the price per square meter. The tiles usually only apply to bathrooms (often only in the splash area, so nothing up to the wall), hallway, storage rooms and sometimes the kitchen.

Sockets 0 € Standard is sufficient --> I really dare to doubt that. The standard is usually 3 sockets per room. Believe me, that is meager.

Speaker cables / empty conduits 300 € Rough estimate. Does anyone have experience with this? LAN sockets 0 € Included in the standard --> read again carefully in the construction service description what is included there. Sometimes they only calculate the pure cables and no sockets. Oh and what about TV? Satellite?

Subtotal house 235,450 € Notary 4,709 € 2% Property transfer tax 11,773 € 5% Construction supervisor for example Association of Private Builders 0 € How much does that cost and are other experts necessary? --> we took one from the Builders Protection Association and would always recommend one. We paid 300 € per visit.

House connection costs 6,000 € Initially taken from another thread Exterior facilities 12,000 € Carport, driveway, terrace, garden and hedge --> never ever! You alone put down 12k just for the driveway (possibly including the terrace) if you have that done. A reasonably decent carport already costs 5k. We were candidates for "We will do it ourselves later". Previous expenses: Piling up earth - 1000 € Paving stones for our (large) driveway: 2000 € Plant rings to roughly support the slope (will be done with a wall in a few years): 400 € Stones for terrace wall edging: 400 € Concrete for various foundations: 1000 € Borrowed excavator: 240 € Curb stones: 300 € ------ just under 5000 € and we still have far from finished everything. No terrace yet, no paved driveway, etc.

Fitted kitchen 7,000 € That’s what our current one cost and we are very satisfied with it Soil survey 0 € Is included with Town & Country. But it must be clarified if it is sufficient for the city. Fees 1,000 € Taken from construction cost thread - for house number, drainage permit, building permit --> by the way, our building permit cost us 1200 €. There were a few exceptions included.

Surveying service 3,000 € (qualified site plans / height measurement / staking out / building surveying; What is covered by Town & Country? --> they cover none of that. With 3000 € it could become tight.

Construction electricity 300 € Provision of connections for construction water / construction electricity --> with us 270 € for the meter and 380 € for the connection of the construction electricity. Construction water is harmless. You will probably get a standpipe and pay rent per day. With us 3 euros.

Removal and disposal of soil excavation 400 € Container rental and disposal; depends on soil quality --> now I had to laugh. Our 4cbm rubble container alone cost 200 € rent. Better calculate excavation significantly more expensive

Contingency costs 8,000 € In case soil replacement is necessary --> you can only calculate this once you have the soil survey. Before that, it is crystal ball gazing. You might get by with some tamping down or may have to excavate about 1 m like we did. Subtotal additional costs 54,182 € Total costs 289,632 €

Here again as a picture. If there is a better way to copy-paste from Excel, let me know.

I have replied in your quote. I think you really need to review all costs very carefully again. And hot tip: Take the construction service description of Town & Country in hand and read carefully what is really included and what isn’t. Best get professional help for that.

2017-12-05 07:58:15

My old calculation for the VR Bank is still on the PC:
Property: -, fully paid, including taxes

House: Bungalow, 13 by 10.5 base area, 110sqm living space; solid construction, plastered, Kfw 70 standard, 30 degree roof pitch, turnkey, including all earthworks, hillside location considered, landscaping, preparation for garden landscaping also, including rainwater and wastewater connection, all in good standard with decent tiles, doors, enough sockets, etc.:

169,900,- including tax

Other additional costs: Surveying, authorities, construction electricity and water: 2,500,-; kitchen: 5,000,-; painting, floor coverings: 7,500,-; garden landscaping, garden house: 12,000,-; Telekom/water/gas/E.On Netz AG: 7,000,-:

Total: 34,000,- including tax

Overall therefore: 204,000,- gross

Actually: 16,000,- more. Instead of garden house garage 7k, earthworks ended up 3k more expensive, a few sockets were missing after all, garden landscaping 4k more expensive. 1,900,- relocation costs were added.
This did not cause us any problems though, because the bank also found my original calculation too optimistic and offered us 10k more credit. The remaining euros were still available.
What bothers me: T and C. I don’t trust them. Just a feeling. Listen to yourself. When talking with T and C, do you feel like you’re speaking as equals or does it also occur to you that they see you rather as a dummy to be milked? Here with T and C I could not get rid of that feeling. My wife confirmed it. So we broke off with them very quickly. Karsten

2017-12-05 13:01:15

Kitchens are furniture and are rarely financed. And the rarely refers to a really good customer who finances half a million, where the small things don't matter.

If you calculate with rounded numbers. And read up in the subforum [Baukosten].
Until then, I say: see you again

2017-12-05 13:10:34

Yvonne, who is going to finance the kitchen? The OP? Of course, you don’t finance it. It is custom cabinetry. Consumer goods. Like a new couch. But it is already part of the costs. Because it has to be bought just like the tile. The OP plans to build very frugally. That’s possible. But it requires discipline. The temptations will surely be shown to him.

2017-12-05 16:01:05

Karsten, the kitchen was mentioned in the listing, and to my knowledge, there is no equity.

2017-12-05 19:31:30

Oh, no equity? Then stay away from building. Young, 20%, semi-old one third, almost old 50% plus, old cash payment. That’s my opinion.

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