Solid house stone by stone, the ecological wooden house or...

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11ant

2017-06-18 16:09:51
  • #1
Even though "eco" is not the same as "organic," I hardly think of petrochemicals first in that context.
 

Kaspatoo

2017-06-18 16:13:58
  • #2
If ecological, then above all sustainable
stone on stone simply lasts longer than wood, in magazines or various unsubstantiated online sources it is mentioned, to my knowledge, 80 years for wood vs. over 100 years for stone.

In my experience, houses with a timber frame construction are anything but cheaper than solid houses, especially not if you apply exactly the same features.

In general, but especially when ecological building is important, in my opinion insulation made of Styrofoam or similar products is absolutely out of the question. Contrary to the manufacturer's claims, it is indeed flammable (hopefully never as bad as the house fire in England in recent days) and according to many opinions I have heard and read so far, this is from the outset special waste that does not last 80 years, but more or less rots beforehand(?).

For me, only mineral wool or monolithic construction come into question here. Mineral wool is available with a stabilized outer surface to be plastered, or a double masonry wall is necessary (e.g., clinker facade, does not have to be repainted = even better ecologically).

My tip: ask many construction companies and architects and get everything on a fixed-price basis and all with the same features (check what additional costs are for certain features that other providers have included in the price).
 

Alex85

2017-06-18 16:22:28
  • #3


Hence my wink. For most people, EPS would be the very last thing to come to mind when asked about ecological building. But it depends on what you want to understand by that. Because no one can really guess the overall energy balance including transport and later demolition with disposal, since, as Knallkörper already says, it also heavily depends on the length of use. The topic of transport alone is already unmanageable. One person has a sand-lime brick factory nearby, the next one has one for Poroton...
 

11ant

2017-06-18 16:26:03
  • #4
I see it similarly; in my opinion, it's a crazy idea to elegantly disguise the storage of hazardous waste by turning it into products with a "use" and redeclaring it as such to stick it onto house walls. Every homeowner gets their own "Gorleben" in toy size. Oh no, that dioxin thing was Seveso after all ;-)
 

Tego12

2017-06-18 17:23:09
  • #5
Phew, prefabricated houses contain way more nasty substances than the current ETICS systems. Besides, at least the stone layer behind lasts significantly longer ;) in 50 years there will surely be much more advanced ETICS systems available for replacement, without having to demolish the entire house :D

Do ETICS opponents actually forego perimeter insulation? It's nothing different either. They even bury it, that would be the fitting Gorleben comparison ;)

Or just build directly with a double-shell solid structure :)

Best to build with locally available materials. If you really want to build ecologically... then the budget hardly matters.
 

Bieber0815

2017-06-19 10:04:26
  • #6
A single-family house is just as ecological as an SUV with a hybrid engine.


Yes, that's what I wanted to ask: What is important to you?

We have sand-lime brick with ETICS
- Solid --> good feeling.
- Sand-lime brick --> high bulk density, high sound insulation, high phase shift, narrow interior walls.
- ETICS --> inexpensive, high thermal insulation, "relatively" easy to seal.

Besides, KS/ETICS was the standard of the developer who had "our" dream plot.
 

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