Small kitchen - help needed with arrangement

Hi,

The planning should have been approached much earlier.

and what exactly would that have achieved? Would the windows or doors then disappear? ;-)

No, seriously, you’re probably right that earlier planning would have made things easier, but lamenting that doesn’t help the OP at all. It’s about making something decent out of what is given here and now.

, the sliding door is probably untouchable, right? To be honest, one of my first thoughts was to paint the door or reduce its size, if necessary a regular 78 cm door. That would allow more space for cabinets.

Best regards,

Andreas

I could also say goodbye to the corner cooktop. If the pull-out cabinet is removed at the same time, there is still enough space with tall cabinets to the left of the cooktop (if it is arranged as proposed by Neige). Cups, glasses, plates... are supposed to go there.

In the drawers towards the dining table, the more expensive stuff that is rarely used and placemats are kept. :)

Thanks, everyone!


Yes, the door is untouchable. That is the path to the hallway, to the stairs, to the pantry/storage room/front door. Otherwise, the kitchen would be a dead end, only accessible via the detour through the living and dining area. This was rightly criticized right at the beginning of my time here. Everything is already built up that way, including the extra solution for the side-by-side fridge. I want to have it placed exactly there.

Display cabinets may be nice to look at, but in my opinion, they have the disadvantage that if they are not deep enough, storage space is lost, and if they are deep enough, you spend more time shuffling things back and forth. With wide large pull-outs, you have everything at a glance, no fiddling around is necessary, and they offer a lot of storage space. In this respect, I think you can then do without one or the other wall cabinet. I wouldn't replace the dishwasher because, in my opinion, it would lose the proximity to the cooktop (draining pasta.....). Does the SbS have to be there? If so, you can consider boxing it in to create storage space above it.

Well, the SbS is already there, it will be taken from the apartment. That was my dream back then. Of course it’s bulky and has relatively little space in the freezer compartment (because of the ice cube dispenser). But a second fridge/freezer combo will be used in the basement anyway.

What do you mean by enclosing it? Building cabinets around it? That probably won’t work. The niche in the wall is designed so that in the future an SbS up to 110 cm wide can fit there (currently: 92 cm). A fridge, considering energy consumption and development, is not something that lasts forever. I wouldn’t want to build around that.

So unfortunately the door and the positioning of the SbS can’t be changed, the question would be how to best design the L (or U).

Pharmacy cabinet gone, instead there will first be cabinets up to the ceiling or up to wall cabinet height there, which also have space for the oven to be built in high, with a width of 100 to 120 cm so that the cooktop, extended along the same wall, still fits, that would be one solution approach.

In summary, you have created several problems for yourself: 1. the side-by-side refrigerator: in a small kitchen, such a bulky cabinet is generally not suitable, but it was wanted by you anyway. OK. But the location, here in the way to the dining area, and then the refrigerator door positioned so that you actually turn to the left, where there is no kitchen surface anymore 2. Only one option to place the tall cabinet for the oven. However, it is absolutely impractical to put the oven, even if it is at eye level, against the wall. Therefore, a placeholder cabinet should be added here. 2a. the wall of < 3 meters, which is supposed to accommodate the tall cabinets as well as the stove, which should have counter space on both sides. Then a long wall cabinet. 3. window location in the corner: the corner is unusable with the idea of the long wall cabinet. The casing of the refrigerator minimizes the bulk, but does not really improve the door situation (well, a little ;)) Placing a stove at an angle is an eyesore to me, but if it’s OK for you... However, this will cause additional costs again. For that, some things could have been planned better ;) The cabinets can certainly be built upwards, but visually this usually looks cramped in a small area. Moreover: what do you want to store at height if you have a pantry and a basement? Therefore, I would stay below the 2.00-meter line and make sure you have short paths and ease of movement in the kitchen line. My suggestion (I try to also consider the aesthetics): place a tall cabinet of 30 (40) cm in the corner (if you want, also a pull-out pantry cabinet, but don’t be surprised if the door is hard to open ;)), then the oven tall cabinet. But I would not go too high, possibly 180 cm tall cabinets (in the photo they are 220 cm) Use the remaining 120 (140) cm for the stove and drawers on the left and right. The widths depend on how wide the wall actually is. By foregoing a corner cabinet, the installer has more room to utilize the space. Personally, I would plan more space for the drawers left and right of the stove than for the side tall cabinet, but take symmetrical measurements there as well. I would counter @Neiges’s suggestion for sink and dishwasher so that you can align flush with the window on the left. Under the sink a drawer cabinet for waste (MOPL?) like on the left of the dishwasher, then you have symmetry when you enter through the door. For the dining area I would use 30/35 deep cabinets with doors (as opposed to the photos), that’s enough for placemats, trivets, serving trays and the like. Both cabinet doors to open “forward.” The shelf at the end serves only to correct my furniture dimensions now!!! If I have time, I will include the corrections again :)

So, first of all, thank you very, very much, Yvonne!!!

That already looks quite close to what we imagined! If I look at it like this, I might skip the wall cabinets around the extractor hood and up to the window entirely and instead choose an 80 cm (?) cooktop with a correspondingly sized extractor hood.

And for the counter/peninsula, the 20 "dead" cm could also be removed, leaving a 120 cm aisle between the fridge and the counter (whether that's enough for one person to pass if the other is standing in front of the open door?), and the counter would only be 100 instead of 120 cm wide. Then, instead of the mentioned doors, drawers across the full 100 cm width (to make it look visually wider).

Overall, I agree that it could somehow appear a bit more airy, and I derived these adjustments from that. However, I am by no means a talented person in such matters. :confused: