Small house on large towel plot

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Sandstapler

2025-05-18 16:03:07
  • #1

No, it concerns the warm half of the year, when the heating is off.


It’s no secret. The connection made between the floor plan and the hobby was surprising to me. I had assumed that the statement that a basement is necessary for some of my hobbies was sufficient. See my previous post.



What iteration is this now? I get the feeling that while all sorts of things are being criticized, actually only the dining and fireplace area is a real problem. Even the repeatedly invoked cost counterargument is essentially irrelevant to the floor plan.


Oh, suddenly? No “whether” is needed here. You can. I have already explained that.


Thanks for your opinion, mine is different. And the room allows it.


I already did. See here:




The arc is simply too long for me. It is human nature to see oneself as the norm. If that is normal for you, you naturally need rooms that accommodate that.


Have I? That is what I said in the initial post:

Note the word “final.” Note the word before it. A little later I wrote

I assume that between “preliminary draft” and “final” there is room for “draft.” And I regard the floor plan as such.


Let’s be honest. That is another assumption. And “functional” is such a nice meaningless meta-word into which anyone can read whatever they want. As I wrote a few lines above (and in the original post), I have a handful of other designs. This is merely the smallest. Why would I have the others if this convinced me so unshakably?

Apart from “functional” deficits, right?

Not at all! It helped me enormously. And my wife, who demands to see floor plans in 3D. Only smaller stuff is patched. Bigger things and restarts happen in Paint.


Thanks. Those are valuable pieces of information. They help. More of that kind, please.
 

Sandstapler

2025-05-18 16:49:55
  • #2
Yes Haha, that was a good one. That’s partly true, if we remove "perfect" from the sentence. My life situation has changed in many ways over the last years. What would have been perfect two years ago is no longer so today. And in two years it will be different again. Therefore, I consider the term perfect to be highly subjective and fluid. It also took a long time to find out what I really want/need/would like/can ignore. I did not waste time, but started early. And I am not planning for now, but for the near future. Can you see somewhere how old my account is here? That’s almost a coincidence, it resulted from the location of the open living space in this (and only this) draft. But it had the advantage of confirming or dispelling certain concerns about measurements and distances by measuring the real object. My mistake, sorry. The heating costs were halved, but not only because of the fireplace. A significant part of the savings came from switching water heating to electricity, from the photovoltaic system or batteries. Therefore, the main heating system only runs three months a year, and even then only at base load. That wouldn’t be possible without a good fireplace (and without photovoltaics). I understand, unfortunately I am not one of the majority. So the sauna in the bathroom "wastes" about 6000 euros. If we subtract the price of the sauna house from that, how much savings are we talking about?
 

ypg

2025-05-18 19:44:21
  • #3


I think you are in the wrong forum if you want to be snappy and judge the quality of the answers. Besides, there are overlaps in the response structure that probably should not be judged, just as we are not snappy about the fact that information only comes upon request. Ultimately, you are here in a floor plan discussion and not in the specialist area "windows." How others deal with you is up to them - I'm out of here.
 

11ant

2025-05-19 01:45:51
  • #4

The term preliminary draft denotes a (if it is to be good, indispensable!) maturity stage of concept development (service phase 2) – not a draft (service phase 3) that merely does not yet reach full satisfaction.

A good preliminary draft convinces by being a balanced equation – if not, it should be thrown away instead of erased. The advantage of scribbled is to increasingly recognize at an earlier stage on every repetition at which point the wrong turn was taken. Or put simply: years of learning instead of lost years.

The difference between 20 cm and 24 cm is not 4 cm, but the fundamental one between "generalized" and "concrete."
Clean mortar joints require that the contemporary dry interlocking replaces the previously usual mortaring. The joint is then nevertheless mortared wet again.

That a basement is (absolutely) expensive is not doubted at all by the 11ant basement rule. It rather serves to answer the question whether a basement built in the concrete case is really (relatively) more expensive than avoided.

No polemics occurred. The effect and purpose of the water-bearing system are known to me, here a fireplace simulation must of course fit (of course against advantages that have to be weighed). Whether you are allowed to fell without forest conversion just because the property is already designated as building land, I linked you reading tips (concrete from Brandenburg). By the way, it is not people but building regulations that "do not like" fireplaces. They are often demanded as all-encompassing "factory chimneys" and get their locations dictated by spacing requirements; and they always require agreement with the chimney sweep as well as regular visits. The efficiency of their coziness contribution can be argued almost more tastefully than factually.
 

wiltshire

2025-05-19 11:20:33
  • #5
I have read the thread attentively and come to the conclusion that you probably act thoughtfully and independently and consciously accept the disadvantages of your planning. Everyone has different requirements, and we also live in a house that hardly cares about what "one" usually does.
Large kitchen, small "lounge area," with many people it simply gets cramped – all decisions understandable to me. Much has already been exchanged regarding windows and the guest room.
Nevertheless, I have a few thoughts to contribute:

1. On the upper floor, you have the option to enlarge the bedroom by the hallway area if you waive the hallway window.
2. Passage to the property – You do not need heavy equipment for the forest. I write from experience. If you want or need to fell a tree, a chainsaw and possibly a winch will suffice. You can make and stack wood on site. To what extent you want to proceed with "heavy equipment" in garden design is up to you to consider. I would at least provide enough width for a mini excavator.
3. Regarding the heating system – Besides cost-effectiveness and resale value, in my view, the comfort through temperature control plays a major role – and that is an individual matter that directly affects living quality. I would never want floor heating again – we had that in the first house. Now we are happy with a combination of a masonry stove (would take up too much space in your case, but regarding efficiency it is politically safe – if reason prevailed) and infrared. Infrared does have higher operating costs, but it is inexpensive in purchase and has no maintenance costs. Of course, resale value counts what "one" defines as standard. I don’t care much as long as I have better living quality in the meantime.
4. Regarding the stove – the installation location, chimney routing, and the idea to connect a water jacket do not seem well thought out to me. I think of minimum distances, sight lines, space for maintenance (also of the water jacket), etc. From my point of view, a stove, whether a wood stove or masonry stove, is much more than "furniture." The technical prerequisites and consideration of output, heating curve, etc. belong in the house planning. In the two children’s apartments, we each have a wood stove. Those things are really nice, but they take up a lot of space, and the heating curve does not match well with the insulation standard. If you know this connection and accept the disadvantages, it can be exactly right. Only false expectations would be unfortunate.
5. On your property, it would also be no problem to place the garage / carport as a separate building elsewhere. That would give you design freedom on the property regarding the accessibility of the garden part behind the house.

Regarding the budget, I say nothing. Wishes usually cost money. If it is not enough to fulfill them, it is worth thinking about what comes closest to the wishes. And it is worth setting priorities. The following considerations helped us:
1. How much cost can be saved by not fulfilling this wish?
2. To what extent does fulfilling the wish directly contribute to our quality of life? (what is really behind it)
3. Which alternatives to this wish serve the same goal? (see 2)
4. What does it mean to fulfill the wish later? (effort, costs...)
5. What’s the point of the nonsense? (§9 Cologne Basic Law) Meaning: After some time, reconsider question 2.

We did not implement a few wishes. These include the hillside elevator (only missed on a few days per year), the aluminum-wood windows (we don’t notice daily that they are plastic windows, the tactile quality is better than previously assumed), the folding glass walls also in the children’s apartments (one has now become my office. The terrace door is sufficient. In the living room, the folding walls are great, that suffices), the sauna (there will be a barrel...), the green roofing on the pitched roof facing north side (the "absence" is not noticed at all), the carport (was approved but built later). For well-being in a house, "features" are less important than many assume.
 

Sandstapler

2025-05-19 13:21:07
  • #6
Please excuse the late reply, I somehow overlooked the post. That would be the perfect solution on the ground floor (for the chimney position), but unfortunately it doesn't fit in the current upper floor. The chimney would stand in front of the bedroom door. But since the ground floor has to be changed anyway, I will also have more options for the upper floor. These 45° walls are not really great either. Oh. Of course I start with the upper floor. That's clear. I would never try anything else.
 

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