Semi-detached house - Which one is the best? Who has experience with that?

  • Erstellt am 2018-10-08 11:18:55

Dirk78

2018-10-08 16:10:48
  • #1


If you all write this, there must be something to it, good thing I didn't just go ahead but asked first! Can the differences somehow be quantified? And how old / how up-to-date should an existing building be at most to make sense?

New builds are certainly nice but not a disqualifying factor! I want to think about the environment, but not only that, rather in a reasonable framework ... if it becomes a renovation, that applies as well ...
 

dertill

2018-10-08 16:12:58
  • #2


There are two vague definitions here.

1. Existing building stock:
Houses for which the building application was submitted and approved after November 1, 1977, i.e. after the first thermal protection ordinance came into force, have a certain construction standard that fundamentally takes thermal protection into account. As a result, all subsequent investments to improve insulation of walls, roofs, basements, floors, etc. are less "sensible" than in older buildings with lower energy standards. Moreover, thicker constructions are already present, which make reinforcement difficult or even impossible or very expensive.
So anyone who wants to dramatically reduce consumption should buy an older house or pay attention to retrofitting possibilities in newer ones. With a 40cm wall containing 5 cm insulation, there isn’t much more that can be done. But with a 24 cm wall, you can still add 15 cm - as an example.
It is true that it’s not always possible; the substance has to allow it, but then it is cheaper than building new.

2. "Proper" energy consumption
Where does "proper" start and where is it already "very proper" or when is it too much effort for too little benefit? Most existing buildings can be brought to a "proper" heat demand level of 100-120 kWh/m² per year with manageable effort, i.e. without wizardry.
Compared to the average demand of just under 200 kWh/m²a, that is only half. Compared to new buildings, it is sometimes twice as much. What is proper?
Anything below that requires suitable substance, as mentioned above. There is no limit then (passive house possible).

The big advantage in renovating existing buildings for your objective is that you are not bound by the Renewable Energy Heat Act or the new building requirements of the energy saving ordinance regarding the primary energy factor. Thus, you can carry out what really saves energy and omit what makes it expensive (residential ventilation, etc.).

What is expensive in renovation is converting existing structures, i.e. changing floor plans and extensions as well as dormers, etc. However, wall breakthroughs are the most cost-effective measure here.
 

Dirk78

2018-10-08 16:13:27
  • #3


As you yourself already write, I won’t be able to follow it through fully.

But it should at least go in the right direction ...
 

Dirk78

2018-10-08 16:16:04
  • #4


Accordingly, would it be best to look for something very old where the fabric is in good condition, pay as little as possible for it, and then spend as much as possible on the sensible changes?
 

Obstlerbaum

2018-10-08 16:21:09
  • #5
I would basically agree with you, but at the moment the market is somewhat out of balance. I don't know exactly where the thread starter lives, but here old properties go for so much that it's better to build new. Provided you can somehow get a plot of land...
 

dertill

2018-10-08 16:21:38
  • #6


"Very old" is tricky again. It is always a case-by-case decision. There won’t be much to do with 50 cm sandstone walls in an Art Nouveau villa with monument protection.
But if the wall consists of 24 cm solid brick, 15 cm air, and 11 cm plastered brick (as with an acquaintance of mine on my street), you can get the thing up to new-build level with little material and money investment.

Post-war buildings up to the mid-60s are the easiest to renovate energetically. Ideally 1955-1966. This excludes the worst poor constructions directly after the war, money was abundant thanks to the economic upswing, open architectures with lots of light already existed, and energy saving was irrelevant, so there are no botched 3 cm insulations behind clinker facades.
But as I said: case-by-case decision.
 

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