Savings beginner with questions about the plausibility of the "rough" plan

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Vanben

2016-03-10 11:04:52
  • #1


I have never claimed otherwise.



A reduction of taxable income (whether through allowances or actual expenses) always concerns the amount that is "cut off at the upper end." The marginal tax rate is decisive here.

If for married couples a tax rate of 45% applies from a taxable annual income of 120,000 euros, this means that at a taxable income of 130,000 euros the 10,000 difference would be taxed at 45%.
If, in a marriage, one partner’s income is already at 120,000 euros, then (mathematically) the high tax rate of 45% immediately applies to a second income because every additional euro pushes the total taxable income over the 120,000 threshold.
This is of course an extreme example, but it works the same way in principle with lower incomes and (marginal) tax rates.

It is therefore actually the case that in this scenario a second income—regardless of its amount—would be taxed at 45% from the first euro onward.



Again the question here: Where did you read that I see this differently?! It is always about the issue described here of the burden caused by the marginal tax rate. This circumstance becomes tangible when considering different tax classes (III/V).
 

willo7777

2016-03-10 11:12:36
  • #2


There is only one allowance. For a married couple it is twice as high as for a single filer. It absolutely does not matter who earns how much or if one does not work at all.

If both earn the same and one gets a raise of 10k, it has the same effect as if one earns everything and the second takes a job for 10k.

Even if someone earns only 10k per year and chooses tax class 3 and the other earns 120k in class 5, it makes no difference at the end of the year, only the monthly deductions are different.
 

willo7777

2016-03-10 11:14:35
  • #3


The assumption is incorrect and at most correct for the deductions. For that, there is 4/4 with factor.
 

Vanben

2016-03-10 12:01:19
  • #4


The point of dispute is now academic. I expressed myself this way to make it clear that the one joint exemption consists of the two individual ones and thus the one from the partner can be "used" in a way.



I honestly don’t know how else to explain this.

Of course, in any case, having a second income ultimately leaves more net in the household budget. The only question is "how much" and, resulting from that, "is it worth it?" Due to a high tax burden on the additional income (regardless of whether it is a raise at A or B, or an entirely new job) and considering expenses related to the additional income (childcare, car, domestic help, etc.), in certain constellations (such as the OP’s here), there is not enough money left over at the end for it to be financially worthwhile for the couple (as an economic unit).
 

nms_hs

2016-03-10 19:19:55
  • #5


Oh dear... Ashes on my head. When I looked at the planned costs in my table, I marked the payment - and then subtracted the 1800...

Therefore, I revise my statement and claim the opposite

Even though 1800 would personally be too much for me, it would also be possible within my house cost estimates, but with restrictions.
 

Mattheu

2016-03-17 00:09:44
  • #6
Hello everyone,

here is a little update...

Equity: approx. 40K
KFW: 50K
KFW Flexi: 80K
Bank: 390K
Total approx. 560K

This with a rate of 1800 and interest fixed for 30 years. Remaining debt 60K
This will be reduced with special repayments during the 30 years.

So, that is what is being offered to me. So far.

Everyone said that there is still some "room", since here and there something can still be done. (2nd decimal place).

Just so you know...
 

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