Operate heat pump autonomously with photovoltaic system.

  • Erstellt am 2015-12-18 19:51:17

Inotsara

2016-06-07 11:51:21
  • #1

And I would never want to build stone on stone again. People can be so different that also kills my desire to continue discussing have fun with the castle made of stone
 

Bauexperte

2016-06-07 14:29:35
  • #2

And I am gradually losing the desire to point out incomplete profiles; please add your profession.

Best regards from the Rhineland
 

Sascha aus H

2016-06-07 14:53:34
  • #3
In my opinion, that is also the mistake. Whoever built the best and newest standard 30 years ago simply has no KfW 40 to offer today. The technology becomes outdated. So if someone wants to buy a used house in 30 years and is interested in energy efficiency, they will calculate the cost for renovation. Then it makes no difference to them whether they buy a former KfW40 or KfW70 house. Heating etc. will be removed anyway.
 

Grym

2016-09-17 00:12:11
  • #4


We also once had a conversation with this provider and they were rather in the category extremely overpriced.

That little insulation and such does not justify tens of thousands of euros in extra cost.

The technical brochure reads really nicely, theoretically, but all of that can be done the same and even better with a solid house. Only the wall structure differs. There xy indicates the compartment value. The overall value is between 0.12 and 0.13. That can also be achieved with 17.5 KS and 24 EPS 032. Just over 40 cm and still far from half a meter even with plaster. But it's simply totally uneconomical.

Just for fun I calculated the energy consumption of our planned KFW55 house: 3,500 kWh for heating plus an estimated 3,500 kWh for hot water. Makes 7,000 kWh. With a ground source heat pump with an annual performance factor of 5 this results in 1,400 kWh electric.

KFW40 has 21.4% better insulation than KFW55. That results in 2,750 kWh for heating and also 3,500 kWh for hot water. Together 6,250 kWh. Now you have an air heat pump with an annual performance factor of 3.8. That results in 1,645 kWh electric.

A KFW55 house with ground source heat consumes 15 percent less than a KFW40 almost passive house with air heat pump. This KFW label in the end is just pointless calculation.

Now calculated further, you would have a ground source heat pump. Then you would only consume 1,250 kWh electric. In this case you would actually save 3.12 EUR per month (25 cents as energy price without heat pump tariff). According to the current plan you rather pay 5.10 EUR on top compared to KFW55 with ground source heat.

KFW40, if you want it, is best achieved with corresponding insulation. Period. You don't need company xy for that. You also don't need timber construction. KS 17.5 and EPS032 20.0 are sufficient for KFW40. Completely.

And now the extreme case. We would build KFW70, so basically minimum standard. 21.4% more consumption, so 4,250 kWh and still 3,500 kWh for hot water. Makes 7,750 kWh. We install an air-water heat pump, and a terribly bad one at that - annual performance factor 3.5. We need 2,214 kWh and the price rises to 40 cents. Our monthly installment of 73.81 EUR will virtually drive us to ruin in 2036.

Edit: Of course I have now calculated our consumption up and down. Depending on your orientation, your house size, etc., different values result. What I actually wanted to point out: Whether KFW70 or KFW40 - we're just calculating peanuts here back and forth.
 

Saruss

2016-09-17 08:48:08
  • #5
An annual performance factor of 3.5 is not at all worse, but a realistic and frequently achieved value for an air-to-water heat pump.

from on the go
 

Grym

2016-09-17 09:32:18
  • #6
In the old building with high-temperature heating, yes. In the new building with 30-35 degrees supply temperature and 45 degrees hot water in the hygiene storage tank and without buffer, certainly far too poor.
 

Similar topics
08.01.2013Air heat pump with fireplace, water-bearing stove, hot water heating26
28.04.2010New construction in planning, which heating system?10
10.05.2012Heating costs per year KfW55 - KfW70, building decision heating11
29.11.2012Which heating system is currently the best?81
30.04.2015KFW70 with gas-solar heating65
06.12.2015Heat pump / final energy demand / annual performance factor20
16.12.2015Is KfW55 worth it instead of KfW70 with an additional cost?16
13.03.2016How to move from KfW55 to KfW40+?23
02.02.2017Construction costs kfw70 vs. kfw55 vs. kfw4030
24.01.2017Air heat pump vs geothermal energy, new build 400m233
03.04.2018New building KfW55 with gas, solar, and controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery43
24.02.2017LWW, gas or geothermal operating cost experiences35
10.11.2017Back payment air heat pump disaster, contracting party, electricity supplier11
27.11.2018Change heating "after" building permit?13
12.04.2019BAFA innovation funding air heat pump43
24.07.2019Energy Saving Ordinance 2016 or KFW 55 for bungalow with air-water heat pump & controlled residential ventilation, optional photovoltaic47
19.11.2019KFW40 or better in solid construction, possible without additional insulation?58
18.12.2019Decision KfW55 vs. KfW40 plus22
24.01.2020Annual performance factor calculation for funding (parameters and calculation tool)29
17.05.2023Same price: Kfw55 with Poroton monol. OR Kfw40 with Poroton WDVS?31

Oben