New building KfW55 with gas, solar, and controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery

  • Erstellt am 2016-10-22 14:03:53

XeNiA

2016-12-01 19:25:47
  • #1


That’s exactly how we see it too!
The PV with heating support and hot water would have cost €9,000. Without heating support, only for hot water about €4,500.

Clearly, controlled residential ventilation is expensive, but it’s the only thing we didn’t want to do without.
 

andi-2000

2016-12-01 19:29:19
  • #2


Hi,

I think you can’t compare a house from the 70s to a current KfW55 according to the current Energy Saving Ordinance. The difference is that the ratio of heating operation to hot water in a modern house will certainly not be tenfold consumption.

Furthermore, solar thermal also supports the heating, not just the hot water. Controlled residential ventilation has to be done anyway; the mentioned quality is part of it.

However, I must admit that I'm not 100% sure whether it pays off. We will see.
 

Bieber0815

2016-12-01 21:06:24
  • #3

Great! That's actually what I would have liked. With the developer, it would have been more expensive than the air-to-water heat pump. So it stayed that way. I think you have the ideal solution. Keep investment low, insulation high. Controlled residential ventilation is a comfort feature for me.
In case you haven't considered this option yet: What would the calculation look like with an air-to-water heat pump instead of gas? Not the energy saving ordinance calculation, but the investment costs if everything else (insulation, controlled residential ventilation) remains the same.
 

XeNiA

2016-12-01 21:17:42
  • #4


From what I see, it would be almost the same cost-wise as with gas now. Unfortunately, the gas connection still costs quite a bit, and there is a 1500€ subsidy from Bafa for the air-to-water heat pump.
For us, we quickly ruled out the air-to-water heat pump. We have heard/read too many negative things.
At the moment, we heat and cook with gas and are completely happy with the system. That’s why we wanted to stick with it.
 

matte

2016-12-01 21:25:00
  • #5


Of course it pays off.... NOT!

If you take the 350 kWh per month for hot water (which I consider very, very much, unless I have a mental slip), that would be about 270€ per year at 6.5 cents per kWh.

Assuming you cover about 60% of that with the ST, you save about 160€ per year.

Against that stands the investment for the ST system of about 4,500€.

You can calculate the payback period yourself now. However, I doubt it is shorter than the lifetime of the system...
 

andi-2000

2016-12-01 21:31:45
  • #6


What I don't understand and please don't take it the wrong way, I'm just at the beginning, every construction company, whether solid or prefabricated house, every architect and planner I have talked to told me that KfW55 can only be achieved if the right thermal conductivity of the materials is given AND the technology fits.

For the technology, that means with gas the condensing boiler AND solar thermal system AND controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery. This information was given to me from different sources, which I have accepted.

Has your energy consultant calculated such a good primary energy demand that KfW55 is actually possible without these three technical components?

Our appointment with the energy consultant is supposed to take place soon, maybe then I'll be wiser
 

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