Who wouldn’t take the basement as a gift (except you?)?
Repeated contradiction, which you apparently also overlooked. Everyone I know who built a second or third time did so without a CONSCIOUS basement! But it’s also pointless, because you don’t get the basement or 4 million as a gift, so where is this line of thought supposed to lead?
You like it and in your "world" it’s great, so you find all the arguments for it; that’s how it should be, that everyone does their own thing.
I did some things differently in this build, as I liked it. So nobody envies me and they don’t have to.
2. The dryer topic is wild... I can now give you 1000 arguments why it’s not sensible to throw EVERYTHING into the dryer.
Here too: It’s YOUR opinion and then you find 1000 arguments and like-minded people but vice versa it would be exactly the same.
We have two electric cars with photovoltaics and I can’t understand that people in the vicinity who have photovoltaics still drive combustion engines and feed most electricity into the grid for 7 cents. They have THEIR reasons, which in my opinion are completely illogical and yet they may/should do so. Just please don’t try to convince me of that. If I got a combustion car as a gift, to stay with your favorite example, I wouldn’t drive a single meter with it but sell it immediately. These people also tell me about their 1000 acquaintances who do the same, but just because of that it doesn’t become more sensible.
Am I right? Of course. Are they right? Yes, equally. So it always depends on whom you ask, very simply. A number of installers will also always advise you to go with gas and find 1000 reasons for it... as wrote elsewhere: Depending on the bubble you move in, you get these answers, and apparently you move in the basement bubble and that is also – for the bubble people – okay but only for them. But that applies everywhere in life...
Besides, I don’t know a single household in my entire circle who doesn’t hang laundry conventionally inside or outside the house to dry.
Again the "bubble problem," see above, I know exactly two in my surroundings.
But if someone buys me a Porsche, I take it too. Do I have to pay for it myself? Maybe not. It’s a pretty similar example for me.
Nope, completely different.
I can sell, rent out or use a gifted Porsche as a replacement for my current vehicle. A basement is glued under the house and is no gain for many people – so the example really stumbles, since you cannot turn the basement into money but you can with the Porsche.
I don’t want to "brag" or anything now. But let’s be honest: Who wouldn’t take the basement if it was given (except you?)?
To me it sounds like you would tell me you own a big excavator and I’d think: Ufff, luckily I don’t have such a thing, what should I do with this monster. Get rid of it as soon as possible and buy something meaningful that makes my life better.
Try to understand: There are partly people here who have repeatedly thought through building a house for their own homes and would have of course implemented it in the next house if they had seen it as a must-have; but that’s not the case. You do and see it differently – well done, apparently you did everything right – but only FOR YOU and the people in this "basement bubble"!
But have a look: In parallel threads you have repeatedly looked for cheapest possibilities like e.g. roofing of the terrace, living room shelf etc. I always "criticize" that people shovel money out for expendable things and then elsewhere, in the important living area, run out of breath to create something high-quality or really classy. So I would have treated myself at your place right from the start during the build to a nice terrace roof as an alternative to the basement, where the family spends a lot of time. As I said: ME!
If someone gave me an 800m² plot, I would do it too,
Neither Porsche nor anything else is given; this kind of reasoning makes serious discussions difficult.
But if you asked the family whether they would like more storage space, they would certainly say "yes." That was just what I wanted to say.
You don’t give up, do you? People are different and just because you know some with this opinion it doesn’t become the general thinking. I know many people who CONSCIOUSLY buy less and cram it somewhere in cabinets and rooms. I had a whole attic, which I consciously kept empty, so much junk drives me crazy. I emptied the basement and built myself a huge sauna because I didn’t really need the rooms.
Maybe you can live differently – but I think these are not the single-family home builders here in the forum.
It may not only be possible, it is totally normal that they live differently and luckily it is so.
"If someone is given a basement, of course they will take it." Analogous to your above statement... If the temporary agency colleague suddenly gets 3,000 EUR net – of course he will take it!!
Sorry but apparently you only know one-track ways. A basement is virtually worthless to many people or sometimes even a burden, because they a) CONSCIOUSLY do not acquire or store superfluous things, and/or b) have no desire to build a workshop in windowless rooms or stay there, which can only be reached via stairs c) rather create necessary additional space on the ground floor (shed or similar) or d) prefer to spend the money more sensibly for them (climate, terrace roof, good furniture, sound system, art, culture, education, health or nice decoration, etc.).
With a raise I can implement this directly, the basement as a means of payment does not yet exist; this example stumbles even more than the previous one. I know someone who later dug out and concreted a basement room as storage for potatoes. You can do that, economically it would have been better to have them flown in individually by helicopter but for him it fits like that. But also here: Please don’t try to convince me or call it a general consensus.