New build 2-family house in BW using Neopor formwork blocks - construction companies?

  • Erstellt am 2018-08-30 06:52:30

alexisan

2018-08-31 13:12:37
  • #1
Hello,

I actually wanted to gather information here
Best to check with Eurmac2 or Argisol.
I find the system promising. However, it is not very widespread... There can be various reasons for that....

Has anyone had experience here?
With a request for constructive contributions

Thanks, Alex
 

11ant

2018-08-31 16:38:56
  • #2
For example, because aerated concrete plan blocks also have a high degree of DIY suitability when it comes to the "masonry" itself, but without raising such questions as
(In the formwork block systems, they work with integrated boxes, empty conduits, and sometimes even integrated downpipes).

Simply put, a formwork block system is a concrete wall that also has a (only finger-thick there) quasi external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) "on it" on the interior side of the room. With all the consequences for fastening-related issues.

If you, as a typical building client, want to have a contractor do the masonry for you, they will surely be happy to deliver the blocks to you, but you are not actually the target group. Among other things, because of questions like
(the answer to which I unfortunately have to withhold), formwork block systems are extremely rare in the portfolio of commercial processors. Such systems are found almost exclusively in the (usually also spatial) environment of the respective inventors. Elsewhere, they are thinly spread, and an inexperienced contractor with this system will do you the greater favor of convincing you to use another building material. Your joy if he said yes out of a willingness to experiment would be short-lived: you would then be his guinea pig, and for example, the mentioned honeycombs or core drillings for every socket would be the consequence(s).

I do not know all formwork block systems nor the differences between them. Each inventor has their own modular dimension and special blocks (for octagonal bay windows, etc.), but the principles are largely the same: formwork block either made of polystyrene or cement-bonded chipboards or similar, symmetrical or thicker on the outside, not much more variation than that. The basic principle is always that anyone who knows "Lego" should be able to handle it; and the filling should be provided by any concrete supplier.

My mantra that block and processor should be seen as a system applies accordingly also within the category "formwork block systems": since the differences lie precisely in the details, I would strongly advise against commissioning a processor experienced with formwork block system XY to build a house with system ABC. And take one who builds entire houses with it, otherwise you will have the problem again at the interface of shell construction/interior finishing to find suitable follow-up workers (or risk that they have to improvise at detail connections).
 

Obstlerbaum

2018-09-03 15:14:00
  • #3

My opinion, which could also be completely wrong:

- You can insulate everything to death, no stone per se has an advantage there. But try hanging a 20kg wall cabinet on the interior insulation...
- Soundproofing: is it really that loud where you build? Even aerated concrete is sufficient for quiet residential areas.
- Regarding statics, you can answer that yourself. How many houses made of hollow bricks/calcium silicate bricks/aerated concrete have spontaneously collapsed so far?
- Neopor is not significantly faster than other construction methods. The exterior walls are only a small part of the total construction time and what’s more important is that the construction company has its processes under control.

I also looked at the system during our early information phase, but my conclusion was that it was basically invented for DIY builders. Construction companies don’t use the material, at least I only found "kit companies" offering something like that.
 

alexisan

2018-09-09 01:40:05
  • #4
Hello,

no one wants to over-insulate themselves to death. But 36.5 aerated concrete will probably no longer be sufficient from 2021 onwards.

I plan to work with my own hands and with construction supervision and support. Quite openly, I would like to obtain this support from abroad for cost reasons. It's not about cheap labor but about a good construction company from Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, or similar.

Maybe someone has recommendations.
We can provide accommodation. The construction site is reachable on foot in 5 minutes.

Regards, Alex
 

11ant

2018-09-10 00:50:29
  • #5
Cost reasons other than wages, what should they be here?
 

alexisan

2018-09-10 06:59:53
  • #6
Hello, I will try to present my thinking in a structured way:

The labor costs in BaWü are very high in comparison and seem to be rising daily due to the boom. Additionally, there is currently a shortage of skilled workers.

Ergo: turnkey is unaffordable. We have to get hands-on ourselves.

The question is which construction system can be realized by laypersons with the help of acquaintances, family, and helpers (preferably from Eastern Europe).
According to my previous research:

- Ytong
- Neopor formwork blocks
- Timber construction (e.g. GreMagor)

We are planning 2 residential units with a recessed attic. No basement. I’m attaching the plans.

With Ytong, due to earthquake zone 2, some continuous concrete walls running east/west and north/south will have to be added. Regarding sound insulation, a correspondingly heavy partition wall between the units is necessary. So it will be a mixed system.

I have hardly dealt with the timber topic yet. Interesting, but I would like it to be massive. However, I’m not resistant to advice.

Regarding the system with Neopor formwork blocks (Euromac, Argisol, Isorast, ...) I found the compromise of sound insulation, insulation, and easy processing the best so far.
However, I currently cannot assess how the costs behave. One would have to compare the gross costs of 1 sqm 36.5 wall here…

I hope my thought process was comprehensible for now…
I look forward to any tips or suggestions. Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree…

Regards, Alex
 

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