Massive construction in self-contracting & KfW 40

  • Erstellt am 2025-08-27 10:18:29

familie_s

2025-08-27 12:26:58
  • #1
Hello,
We are currently building exactly like this. So monolithic with a structural engineer (relatives), a lot of own work and have taken advantage of the KfW300 program.

We had defined some must-haves in advance, which made the jump to KfW40 not so big:
Heat pump, photovoltaic system, controlled residential ventilation, above-average insulation

We planned closely with the energy consultant, structural engineer and carpenter. It works great and is also reasonable in price (~5k)

Unfortunately, we also had to implement some measures for the KfW300 standard that we would not have done without the subsidy and which also cost quite a bit:
Above-average insulation under the floor slab + triple-glazed windows with super high U-value.
 

Arauki11

2025-08-27 12:29:14
  • #2
We built with a rather weak general contractor who repeatedly forgot/neglected things. I myself built similarly many years ago, with a very good, well-known shell builder who at the time acted as the site manager and supervised everything. To be honest, I stumbled into that back then and carried it through without real knowledge; the architect was only there to sign. Nowadays, no one would do it that way anymore, not even I. In the current build, the general contractor was really not good (to put it mildly), but due to our somewhat different building idea with a fireplace + infrared + air conditioning, I did not find a single energy consultant here in Saxony who considered that feasible. I then found one near Augsburg at an engineering office, and they really knew their stuff. From there I received a folder with every detail, every calculation, and so on, and they made sure that we received Kfw40+ by playing through various scenarios (stone, insulation, windows, roof, controlled residential ventilation, etc.) and ultimately also took care of all formalities for the KFW on our behalf. Of course, self-contracting would be more interesting if I personally knew the important trades (plumbing, electrical, etc.) or their quality; unfortunately, that was not the case at my new residence here, which is why it became a general contractor. In terms of price, as an individual you might not get the cheapest deal, but you do get maximum individualization (provided you actually have the right people at hand!), and in some cases you will have to be brave or make rather unusual decisions because you are always the client in the real sense. A strong architect alongside a really good energy consultant is already half the battle, both for construction development and supervision. So – with an engaged architect and energy consultant, the process is not worse, perhaps sometimes even better than with any general contractor; there is no general verdict on that. Regarding the qualification of energy consultants, I was really shocked back then at the variety on the market and who is allowed to call themselves that; it reminded me of the situation with the MPU or corona test centers, which popped up wildly and often without real qualification; I would look very closely at that, as well as with the architect.
 

11ant

2025-08-27 16:15:16
  • #3


If you as building owners are first-time builders, independent awarding is too rough a sea for pedal boat captains. The test is called "Blower Door," but in the end, it is the same whether you heat out through the doors or the sockets. With individual awarding, coordination becomes correspondingly more expensive if everything is really to mesh tightly. EH40 goes beyond the legal standard, which on balance costs money. Many building families find it tempting for financing to see which other conditions they can obtain with it. Whether it "pays off" financially can only be determined for the specific building family-house design constellation—I therefore cannot generally say it is not worth it for you. But unfortunately, it is highly likely that it is not worth it for you. Don’t forget: hordes of highly paid lobbyists have long calculated that it "works well" in their interest. For developers, it is supposed to be an economic booster. If it is "profitable" for individual homebuilding families, the professionals would have "done something wrong" from the perspective of their breadwinners and it is a "collateral damage" as a single case. Financially benefiting broad strata of the population was not the (actual) design goal of this political product.

For the majority of building families, the reality is that their specific house design results, for example, in the standard "EH52," thus fulfilling the Building Energy Act (similar to EH55) very well, but EH52 is not a subsidized level. Going from EH52 to the next subsidized level EH40 (KfW40) causes such an extensive package of measures for individual builders that it roughly offsets or even consumes the advantage of the lower conditions. It is not uncommon that, calculated mid-term, part of the additional costs remain with the building family. As said, this is by design, specialists have worked thoroughly on this.

For a large developer with four to five hundred residential units = subsidized units per year (eighty to one hundred twenty semi-detached houses plus apartments), the calculation is quite different, and unlike ordinary voters, they were also the "customer" in designing the political product. The young family, which is sometimes even glad to be demonstrably below "higher earners" with their household income, is unfortunately only "meant" in feeling by these subsidies, but deliberately not actually.

Overfulfilling the Building Energy Act standard at the EH40 level pays off financially for individual builders with established households (for several years above the contribution assessment ceiling—so the opposite of "sufficiently poor people") and when the specific house design results in about EH43, meaning only a tiny push is needed to reach EH40.

For you, this means: honestly ask yourselves whether you belong to the intended beneficiary group or (even better: and) can afford this eco-patronage, or what "calculated pessimistically" actually remains on your heap of wealth. If you are the ones being taken for fools on balance, then save yourselves the acrobatics from the Building Energy Act to EH40. As a chief judge and chief physician, and if it only costs you the stroke of a pen to order 2 cm thicker insulation boards, then by all means take the KfW subsidy and laugh yourselves silly over poor saps like "the lower eighty million."

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Now, to the technical part of the house project:

What you should definitely get first is an architect for "Module A," see my "Housebuilding roadmap, also for you: the HOAI phase model!" With this, you make a preliminary design, with which you conduct a qualified inquiry to a handful of construction companies during the "dough rest." Normally, I then advise using this inquiry round also for "setting the course," but in your case only to a limited extent:
If your honest self-reflection shows that the circus with EH40 would pay off for you, then design the inquiry as a course-setting, so ask three timber builders and two (to three) masons. Because with EH40, timber builders usually have the edge. But because this is not always so, you let masons participate as well. "More is better" unfortunately does not apply for the inquiry round, so refrain from too many participants. Regional companies are best, but this practically mainly applies to the masons. In reality, you will not avoid supra-regional / nationwide timber builders.

If your honest self-reflection results in ignoring KfW40, then you should "build on" the shell general contractor known to your family and commission the architect for the entire two halves up to and including service phase 8, or at least up to and including service phase 7 and for service phase 8 then a construction-accompanying expert. Let the architect tender the construction and instruct him to involve the shell general contractor known to your family. An experienced tenderer will never exclude GCs (also for turnkey) and only make the list of recipients as long as necessary. So you will have a choice afterward between rarely more than five GCs and further bidders who only bid for lots of their trades.

Also, with this result (Building Energy Act instead of KfW40), you carry out the inquiry round, either as course-setting or limited to masons. From the responses, you derive how far you want to go with the architect. According to my proven scheme, question 2 is always for an offer of the house design most similar to the preliminary design used for the inquiry (catalog house, type house, promotional house—the child may have different names). If there is a convincing building proposal, you let your architect adapt it for you in cooperation with the GC. The adaptation to your plot is already done by the self-commissioned independent architect, who considered and developed it on the preliminary design.

Single independent awarding as first-time builders—especially without a professional tender base, therefore at least up to service phase 7—is an expensive experience and regularly consumes training money many times higher than the possible (and even many times higher than the hoped-for) savings potential. If you do not like the offers so far price-wise, then reduce size and/or equipment. You can generously save on frills without remorse, but not on the quality of the craftsmen. For example, equally good tiles in 60x30 cost noticeably less than 80x80, partial instead of full brick cladding often even looks more elegant, and so on.
 

anna2326

2025-08-29 10:34:09
  • #4


Thank you very much for the feedback, ! Did you find the energy consultant yourselves? May I ask what you used regarding monolithic, 36.5 or 42.5 stones? Or something else? Thanks :)
 

familie_s

2025-08-29 11:02:46
  • #5
Yes, we found him ourselves, but took him on recommendation from the shell builder. We have Schlagmann U8 unfilled in 42.5.
 

GeraldG

2025-08-29 11:17:16
  • #6
For the KFW300 funding, the "full package" is virtually mandatory. The calculations cost a few thousand euros, the rest is relatively expensive due to the documentation, since much of what needs to be documented can no longer be documented later. The insulation under the floor slab simply has to be documented at a different time than the insulation between rafters or the window installation. By the way, this is also what the consultants complain about, saying the entire KFW funding process has become so complex that it is no longer really worthwhile.
 

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