Is an air conditioner necessary in a south-facing location?

  • Erstellt am 2020-03-04 12:12:04

Deliverer

2020-03-05 14:32:48
  • #1
I just always sleep so badly there, cook, do home office, and the like... Compared to the energy we waste on heating, a small amount. In my old building, which I keep below 24 degrees, it's about a factor of 60. In this case, I would equip the gallery as far up as possible with a single unit, which should then run as continuously as possible (from May to October) to keep the house dry and cool in combination with the underfloor cooling. I will gladly prepare the other rooms – I guess you won’t need it. That is – especially in a new building – too expensive. Rough rule of thumb: €1,000/kW cooling capacity. A new building should not need more than 5 kW. If you operate the unit like your heating (turn on in summer, turn off), often just one indoor unit is enough to go from "I’m dying" to "this is bearable." Especially in combination with underfloor cooling. If you want to maintain 20° continuously, you have to spend a bit more. But nowhere near €15,000. I have two reference points: 140 sqm old building, continuous cooling at 23-24°, 500 kWh, so €150 per year. 135 sqm new building, cooling as needed, 300 kWh, so €90 per year. These are the average values from the last two or three summers. And they were not exactly cold. I consider that negligible.
 

Mycraft

2020-03-05 15:19:08
  • #2

One does not exclude the other by any means.

Deliverer was right, a device as high up as possible. Or three in the southern rooms. Cooling as needed or permanently, both are possible and both are effective.


The controlled residential ventilation has the equivalent of a television. In other words, a normal television produces as much waste heat in operation as the controlled residential ventilation can cool down. So that is actually not worth mentioning. The controlled residential ventilation is there to provide fresh air, not to cool or heat it.

With underfloor heating, you get a cold and more or less unpleasant floor and gain 2-3 degrees, often near the floor level. At head height, you still have 27-28 degrees. Physics cannot be tricked.

Another problem is humidity and not just temperatures. If you want a pleasant indoor climate, you have to dehumidify.

15K is definitely way too expensive.
 

Guido1980

2020-03-05 16:05:27
  • #3


So the air conditioning installer has planned 5 indoor and 1 outdoor unit. Three indoor units in the attic for the three rooms with 2 kW each, plus 2 indoor units with 2.5 kW each for the living/dining area. So that adds up to 11 kW. Furthermore, it must be taken into account that the house has over 300 m2 of living space! The living room alone is 64 m2.

Therefore, the costs are somewhat relativized.

I also have an offer just for the units without installation from wholesale. They offered three indoor units for the attic with 2.3 kW each and one unit with 5.3 kW for the living room on the ground floor, totaling €10,000. But the complete installation is still missing.



I don’t know if one unit in the gallery helps much, then the cold air falls through the open space in the gallery down to the basement and doesn’t reach the rooms where it’s needed?!?!

To explain, here’s a picture from inside the house.

I can control the humidity through the already planned controlled residential ventilation anyway, right?
 

Mycraft

2020-03-05 17:02:47
  • #4
Yes, the cost driver are the 5 indoor units. If you go down to just three, the costs are halved. (Of course, you can also install only 3 units for 15K... no big deal.) If you find the 15K okay then... go for it... I mean it's okay. The house will of course be pleasantly cool with the 5 units. So what is the question? Whether it will be cool or whether you can save somewhere? By the way, what is the wall structure? And what do you imagine under smart home? The air is dehumidified and falls downwards. The warm air flows in and is also dehumidified and cooled, namely from all rooms as long as the doors are open. Until the set temperature is reached. Of course, this is faster and more effective with several indoor units. No, controlled residential ventilation does not work like that. It only dehumidifies the air in winter because there is a balance between inside and outside. In summer, when the humidity inside and outside is nearly the same, nothing is dehumidified by the controlled residential ventilation. The function of controlled residential ventilation is almost directly transferable to the ventilation system in a car. In summer you cannot cool with it because nothing is dehumidified and in winter on the other hand it does dehumidify even if the airflow is set to cold. (Sure, this is only a very rough comparison).
 

haydee

2020-03-05 17:21:55
  • #5
Well then, according to that, I should be roasted in my house in summer. Don’t generalize. I haven’t missed having an air conditioner in the last two summers, and that in an extremely well-insulated house. And I hate heat. Also, it’s not completely dark inside due to the shading. A lot depends on where the houses are located.
 

Guido1980

2020-03-05 17:22:24
  • #6


So initially, I found the 15,000 euros quite a lot, but considering the described perspective, it relativizes again in view of the expected benefit in summer!

The system should then also be designed so that you do not have to think about when to open and close which door to have a certain temperature in which room.

For the smarthome, the Busch&Jäger Free@Home program is currently planned. Although the air conditioning apparently cannot/does not have to be integrated there, since it runs autonomously via room sensors, right?
 

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