Handleless kitchen front, good and affordable - which manufacturer?

I planned with the Ikea planner. It was totally worth it. At first, I also thought I wanted a G, an L, this and that. With kitchens, it's strangely the case that the simple, well-thought-out, proven things somehow look like "nothing," but they are the cheapest and at the same time best solutions. A G-shaped kitchen visually feels cramped for the entire room.

Assembling it is really no big deal. A new build is already well measured, you only have to mount the rails on the wall at a specified height, the rest goes "like Ikea." Read and look at the instructions carefully and then step by step. Or find an external assembler. There are many who assemble for a cheaper price. If you consider that, you can also search the group "Ikea Küchen" on FB. There are craftsmen from all regions and all kinds of experiences to read about.

With the handleless VOXTORP, you should test on site whether the grip recesses are enough for you. They are not very deep and sometimes too tight for muscular men's fingers. A woman doesn't really want to chase the man out of the kitchen. After all, he should definitely be able to operate the dishwasher.

Thank you for the explanation. Everything is understandable so far. Still, the current planning is "visually" appealing to us, definitely. We'll see how we might possibly get rid of the corners or maybe switch to an L-shape with a peninsula.

Did you plan your kitchen with the Ikea planner or did you ultimately also buy and assemble an Ikea kitchen there? In terms of style, we also really like a certain very well-known Ikea kitchen, but I'm extremely hesitant about the assembly and believe that Ikea's own assembly is quite expensive.

Ah, so that's where we meet as well – we have gone through kitchens several times on different occasions. Since our friend no longer assembles kitchens himself, we ended up twice in the family at IKEA. The planner is great and with a few ideas you can manage most things. For example, we have the thick worktop (custom-sized) with an aluminum edge, giving a good working height and enough tall cabinets with drawers due to space. In addition, there is a bar or island and a thick multiplex board on top as a bar. I was at various kitchen planners from Höffner to Studio. After the third one, I had no more patience. I used to have a very expensive kitchen in the house, which after 30 years still looks great, still stylish, but such costs today 40-50K. This IKEA model Ringhult for example is really nice and currently I can’t think of a reason to spend more here, since I prefer to invest more elsewhere. We roughly put the cabinets together ourselves then the furniture maker comes via MyHammer or eBay classifieds, and quickly assembles the thing. I can only recommend it because the kitchen business is really a completely invisible thing where as a customer you mostly don’t know what you get. The best appliances ordered online and then the stylish kitchen is done.

Ikea kitchens are top quality, even the lacquered fronts, they come with a 10 or 20 year warranty. Ikea charges 259 euros per running meter for assembly. However, it is cheaper through eBay Kleinanzeigen.

I bought one at Ikea for my rental apartments and assembled it myself, it is not that difficult. There are just a lot of packages.

Ok, I’m also reconsidering IKEA. How is the durability of the fittings, drawer bottoms, and the carcasses in general? I remember that in the past, after a few years, everything gradually loosened. It was fine if you only held the handle in your hand. Often, it was actually the entire drawer front. I felt like I had to readjust the hinges every 5 months or so, etc. With other products (Billy) I have the feeling that the quality has even declined over time (plastic parts instead of metal). Could it be that IKEA took a different approach with kitchens?
Because if I can get almost the same kitchen without appliances at IKEA for a third of the price, it does make me think. Does a Nobilia really last three times as long?

IKEA is a great mid-range kitchen. You probably can't go too wrong. A friend has a super expensive Siematic that after 15 years is also showing wear. The doors are hanging a bit crooked, the laminate edge is yellowing.

True, Ikea saves costs by switching the products even more to cheap plastic. Still, I can't imagine that a kitchen three times as expensive lasts three times as long. In my Ikea kitchen, I notice with the pantry drawers (fully loaded with glass containers + supplies) that they wobble a bit when pulled out. But they are really full too, probably about 18kg or so.

Ok, I’m also reconsidering IKEA. How is the durability of the fittings, drawer bottoms, and the carcasses in general? I remember that in the past, after a few years everything gradually became loose. It was good if you only held the handle in your hand. Often enough, it was the entire drawer front that was the problem. I felt like I had to readjust the hinges every five months or so. With other products (Billy), I feel that the quality has even decreased over time (plastic parts instead of metal). Could it be that IKEA took a different approach with kitchens? Because if I can get almost the same kitchen without appliances at IKEA for a third of the price, it makes me wonder. Does a Nobilia really last three times as long?

So, I had an IKEA kitchen 30 years ago, and after 2 years I replaced it and bought an expensive kitchen that is still in use today. However, by now, the quality of IKEA kitchens is different. We recently built a nice IKEA kitchen with appliances from Siemens, Miele, etc., and have already moved once with it and will have to move again soon. This is possible with this kitchen. By now, you get hinges there from the same manufacturer as elsewhere mostly, and there is a 20 or 25-year warranty. I can really recommend IKEA kitchens and in daily life I don’t notice any quality disadvantage. I understand what you mean, it was like that for me back then too. Today it’s totally different, we really like our kitchen.