From 0 to 100 in 3 years realistic? | Building obligation

  • Erstellt am 2022-01-29 22:23:31

borxx

2022-01-31 10:37:48
  • #1
I am always fascinated here, someone writes that they have a 2% initial repayment and the next person asks if they even know how much of the installment goes toward repayment :eek:

The next one comes in with the blanket statement that 2% is impossible anyway and way too little. Also nonsense again, it simply has to fit into the overall concept. If I have the choice between a special repayment and a repayment change (with most banks the choice is a standard), the special repayment offers significantly more flexibility and security with low initial repayment in the 10 years and after that it will. So now let the "financial experts" tear me apart.

Yes, the general expectation is rather not that a follow-up financing in 10 years will probably still work at 0.3x% as it did a few months ago...

Whether you should aim that big right away I'll leave open. I am of the opinion that price-wise with the 600k for what is aimed for all-in it probably doesn’t add up. That would have been realistic at the end of 2020, beginning of 2021, in 2023 when you should sign to have some leeway until completion (the tip with "finished" and what the municipality does if the expansion is not yet 100% complete probably allows some room for maneuver...) I would also expect 20-30% more.
I would definitely reserve the plot (non-binding). In the meantime, try testing what the place would currently cost overall with your dreamed equipment, then add 20% buffer for 2 years ahead and corresponding security; during planning there will probably be some orientation (possible/impossible/line items/size adjustments etc.). At the same time, talk to a bank or a good! broker about the overall concept (saving up equity, parental leave etc.). If it doesn’t remain impossible, buy the plot and finance it flexibly. Just this year, with your planning, you would have to put aside a good 50k€, with the then available 50k you would have 100k creditable together, which isn’t wrong, and the quick build is also rated positively with the appropriate background story. If it all fits together, sign and do it.

So the risk remains that you have bought the plot and would have to unwind if it doesn’t work out. Then a small 5-digit amount would probably remain, which in the overall investment could be seen as a "black eye" and gain in life experience.
 

hauskauf1987

2022-01-31 10:42:09
  • #2


These blanket statements of way too high credit, way too low repayment are rubbish anyway.
Better to repay less and invest more money in my opinion.
Our house has a market value of just under 900k, we will pay 788k after subsidies. Salary increases are still possible at the beginning of our 30s... sometimes I don’t understand the problem here.
 

Myrna_Loy

2022-01-31 10:48:07
  • #3
The problem I see is that, for example, in young years, planning always assumes salary increases but never negative life setbacks. The IT sector is not a given either. Our IT guy once dryly said that the IT industry works on the principle of Logan's Run. Children don't always come on command in optimal form, and Covid has shown enough people that health is not guaranteed. With a sum of this magnitude and responsibility for a family, I am very critical of how nicely some financing concepts are calculated.
 

pagoni2020

2022-01-31 10:51:39
  • #4
Well, when I remember your thread with depression regarding burden, I find these current statements already a huge leap over the hurdle. That someone who takes out 500,000 euros or more worries and thinks about it seems more appropriate to me than to laugh it off at 800,000. Your stated market value may be that high – now – but the past has shown many that many things can happen both in personal areas and in the general development of circumstances in Germany. Sometimes I get the impression that people only know rising prices or growth. It is not 30 years ago that one might have gotten only 60% of the production cost for their house. Fear is not appropriate, but caution is. It remains to be hoped that everything goes as you foresee!
 

driver55

2022-01-31 10:53:59
  • #5
Salary-wise, it always goes up, on paper, in reality in very rare cases. Expenses also only know one direction. They usually run ahead of income. (But well, what do I know… ;) )
 

WilderSueden

2022-01-31 11:04:26
  • #6
But honestly, how many actually invest their money well? For most people, it just goes into lifestyle inflation. The house comes with the robot lawnmower, the garden naturally waters itself automatically, etc. You also have to keep up with the neighbors. And otherwise, on this topic, I can only agree with Nassim Taleb: debt creates fragility. When building a house, debt is unavoidable, but one shouldn't overdo it. In your example, you are betting that everything will continue as it is. Professionally, health-wise, in the relationship, on the real estate market, on the stock market. But that doesn't have to be the case. Let’s say trouble comes with the neighbors while real estate prices simultaneously drop by 10%. Then you have a problem with your financing to sell the house without ending up in debt. Or a divorce, unemployment, something with health. Thanks to cheap money, the stock market is valued similarly high as the real estate markets. You don't have to be a crash prophet to predict that the returns in the coming years will probably be significantly below the historical average. At similarly high Shiller CAPE ratios, in the past, there was usually even a negative return on the stock market, especially after inflation. Savings through a 1% loan interest rate are not so bad anymore. Of course, there is nothing against taking a two-track approach and investing for retirement in addition to the house. I would even strongly recommend that if you can afford it. But that also includes that the property doesn't have to be financed until retirement. I absolutely cannot understand how, given your history, you agree to such financing. That would definitely give me existential fears.
 

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