Floor plan design for KfW 40 single-family house in a developed residential area with fully finished basement

  • Erstellt am 2025-08-11 20:39:34

AnnaChris88

2025-08-20 12:16:00
  • #1


Yes, we have that – the architect receives it and is supposed to plan building permits and drainage based on it.



The best offer was from Keitel-Haus. Additional building costs are not included yet. We are planning with around €900k for everything.
 

gtown1994

2025-08-20 17:34:37
  • #2
Does the offer from Keitel-Haus refer only to the ground floor + upper floor or also to the basement? How many € per sqm does the offer amount to?
 

AnnaChris88

2025-08-20 18:55:00
  • #3
For everything - the floor plan as you see it. Good luck
 

11ant

2025-08-20 20:02:08
  • #4
At least you are ignoring my constructive criticism (probably because you consider it nitpicking). However, it has nothing to do with architectural criticism or the like when I consider your planner a textbook fool. The fact is, he delivered you something that a lawyer would call an "objective poor performance." Even if the fee claim is well below the table, proper performance according to work phases 1 to 3 necessarily includes the complete delivery of work phase 1 before proceeding to work phase 2. Apparently, this is not the case here; the house concept has inevitably "taken a wrong turn" as a result, a height difference of 0.9 m (even if it refers to the building plot) according to the rule of thumb (which you will find explained in my post series) argues against a basement.

By accepting the planning services that were improperly provided on a faulty basis instead of rejecting them as a basis, the planner can consider his services tacitly accepted. You thus put yourself at risk of having to pay for them despite their objective errors. Instead of throwing this nonsense in the trash and starting over at his expense, he can now also charge you additionally for reworking his botched plans. He has already caused you damage at least equal to the avoidable construction costs, even if this is legally only "realized" when you actually have construction carried out according to these plans. And that could probably be done because the nonsense is "approvable." But for this result, you could have just had the house "drawn" by a student and presented by a "stamp waiter."

Since you are a construction law engineer, you should discuss with a lawyer whether consumer law "saves" you and whether you can still play the card of complaint against the planner. Even if you have a good feeling about getting the design healed with the help of the forum community: you do a great disservice to all other consumers of planning services by letting such bumbling planners and their poor performances get away with it!

Formally entering the conceptually ignored terrain heights into the botched plan iterations and considering them in the drainage planning does not cure the faultily constructed planning for a single penny.

If the heights from the surveyor are now available, then show them once; then can work with them.

Since the original poster probably only perceives me as a complainer anyway, I can still add this remark: I only hear the name Keitel-Haus in connection with unadvised laypeople who like their offers.
 

roteweste

2025-08-20 21:06:45
  • #5

Surely you count me in this category as well, although back then the company Keitel-Haus (among others) was recommended to us from several sides. I will report next year on how it went for us. Perhaps one should admit, however, that a provider like Keitel-Haus can deliver good mid-range quality, but certainly does not play in the upper class when it comes to equipment and structural possibilities. Providers who can do that are excluded anyway due to the TE’s price expectations.
 

AnnaChris88

2025-08-20 21:08:02
  • #6

Thank you for your message; however, I cannot fully categorize it for myself.
I understand that you say we should have started with a sketch and defined a room program as well as paid attention to the heights. But as the floor plan is now – what exactly is such absolutely terrible nonsense about it that I should sue someone because of it?
The points others mentioned I could partly understand very well and tried to integrate them. For some other points, we have personal preferences that fit our life and our situation. I really thank you very much for your commitment, but is it really all so bad that I should start from scratch??
 

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