Floor plan design for 212 sqm bungalow - improvement suggestions

  • Erstellt am 2023-08-27 01:40:04

Sebastian012

2023-08-27 16:49:47
  • #1

Very interesting! Thank you very, very much for the detailed feedback!
 

hanghaus2023

2023-08-27 17:06:14
  • #2
Regarding the draft. You can't do anything about the strange display. Then just tell me what your budget is.
 

ypg

2023-08-27 17:29:23
  • #3

You’re “saving” for a much more expensive static structure.

No, finishing the inner roof surfaces is more complicated (I’ll ignore your construction with partly high walls breaking with suspended walls – you can hardly address that anyway).

Bungalow floor slabs are more expensive because of larger area. To my knowledge, a bungalow becomes more expensive from about 140 sqm than a conventional single-family house with a finished attic.


Any extra corners in the outer shell cost. In this case, proper waterproofing is necessary since it is also in the soil.
All this is more complex than just stacking Lego plates or simply changing the wall thickness with software. Then there’s also the formwork of the little steps to the lower level… you can’t even think of a “bungalow as a cost-saving measure,” since a scaffolding is needed again.

These are not even 50€, Sebastian. It’s not even just 100€ extra per sqm of living space.

You develop valuable space under the roof, which isn’t effectively used — actually not at all. (Leaving aside the fact that it was implemented so thoughtlessly that it looks lousy. I agree with the insensitive words of that this feels more like childish scribbling than mature understanding).

The whole construction over the (span) distance and over the height of the ridge will probably consume a lot of steel. And without an intermediate level, everything has to be supported somewhere else. Mind you, over walls that are slanted and higher than normal straight room heights. What has meanwhile proven itself in house construction and can be economical is being expensively turned upside down here.


Huh? How do you imagine that? A chimney has a function. No support is built in there.

Your thinking is very naive – there is a reason why a single-story standard gabled roof house is by comparison the cheapest house build. Small slab, rectangular and good, no leaving out of load-bearing walls etc.
Or why even shed roof houses get a second level.

Viewed over area, over 200 sqm of living space already statistically consume more euros than a modest and effectively planned single-family house construct of 130 sqm at a flat assumed 3000€/sqm.



Architecturally, a construction with a “lowered” level (living room) to the open roof, which visually seeks to gain height, is conflicting and contradictory.
You can’t speak of spatial feeling when the space is narrower than it is high. You could even check that in 3D with the program if you operated it correctly. You look at a 4-meter high wall above the window.

In former times, the chimney nook was often placed in the lower “construction.” But that was also visually planned just like an air space, instead of just putting the whole living room into the visually “pool area” here or letting the resulting air space run out clumsily along the whole house length with walls.
The lowering was then kept out of the traffic areas so that no one would injure themselves on the stairs or fall down.


Who wouldn't want that? But I actually only see nonsense.


Here I see people falling down the stairs when they want to move to the table or just in the open area. They do that once, then they won’t come back… to visit again.

Lighting design will also be a costly task in the rooms…


That roof windows don’t get wet is a myth, in my opinion. Better ask yourself how much window area “up there” is needed to brighten the room 7 meters below. And how about cleaning effort? Do you set up scaffolding to clean a roof window? At a certain roof pitch, they clean themselves on the outside at least, but not from the inside. Roof windows are also more expensive than normal windows...


You have the pipe runs on the long plot to the street (infrastructure). Within the house, a few pipe runs don’t matter. The infrastructure is kept short: that’s why utility rooms are usually built toward the street.


Oh, that doesn’t exist yet? Then it’s all just castle-in-the-air painting anyway.


Large land is not the same as building land. Also, floor area ratio must be observed. “In the countryside where large land is available,” the floor area ratio is usually around 0.1. You would have to buy about 2200 sqm of that cheap land. But cheap building land also no longer exists “in the countryside.”
.....
You basically make every conceptual mistake of a layman. The same applies to the floor plan: wasted hallway areas, badly or not planned doors and windows that make furnishing difficult.
You can’t speak of spatial feeling when the room is narrower than it is high. You could even look at that in 3D with the program if you used it correctly.
No cloakroom, sight line from the kitchen towards the front door, dining table facing an internal toilet competing with the smell of the stove or rather vice versa. And if the sliding door is also made of glass, then kids or other people in the privacy zone have direct insight when they have to visit the bathroom.

Here are some tips or conceptual mistakes:

Sliding doors rarely provide sound insulation.

Where are they small? 28 sqm is hefty!

Yeah, I recommend another house then. This “construction and ideas” here are totally non-negotiable.


I think the view into the hallway and entrance area brings the opposite of coziness.


For me? My shoes!!! Rubber boots don’t fit anymore. Coats don’t either. Where to put all that stuff???
The utility room is far away...
Shopping bags can be stored next to the chimney, guest cloakroom will be put on the sofa.


I thought you wanted to save?



I calculate the house at 800,000 to 900,000€.

I wrote most of this this morning. And I have to smile that another user meanwhile wrote similar things. But the points themselves will probably be noticed by most here who deal with house designs.
 

kati1337

2023-08-27 18:55:33
  • #4
If you ask me like that, I would honestly say new planning. For our first house, we took a standard floor plan from the general contractor and changed it in some places. After the changes, it became apparent here and there that it doesn’t only bring advantages to alter something established. The architect had already thought things through, and our own adjustments were not perfect on second glance. For the second house, we thought about what was important to us, what exactly we wanted to carry over from the first house, and what could be done better. We wrote that down textually, as a list and with priorities. Then we talked to construction companies. One of them offered an individual planning service for €1500, which would have been credited upon signing the construction contract. We took advantage of that and handed our text list to the architect. The result blew us away.
 

11ant

2023-08-27 19:28:46
  • #5
You said: . The absolute joke only comes from the contrast to the explanation . *Fully agree* Letting the space above the ceilings of "less important rooms" serve not as dedicated but merely numbered (!) rooms as a kind of "air space marker" is cute nonsense. I didn’t understand through which sliding door visitors are supposed to be received. Boundless noise traffic doesn’t promote communication, but rather the opposite. Bare cement screed (layman’s terms "exposed concrete" floor) is (unless coated with liquid plastic or similar) as "easy to maintain" as suede. But basically, the nonsense already starts with the naive false assumption that arranging the entire room program on a single level is cheaper because you save a floor slab. Even a shed roof eventually stops being the cheapest roof form (or conditionally / requires at the given area dimension the willingness to develop the floor plan in the structural concept). And yes, combined chimney-flue-support hybrids are probably also a pretty crazy hope. Am I far off in suspecting a single person in their early twenties?
 

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