Expected construction costs in Hessen: architect vs contractor

  • Erstellt am 2017-11-24 18:19:05

ypg

2017-12-01 08:01:29
  • #1
No offense, but something is completely wrong here: wrong information or wrong thinking. E6... that's gross, isn't it?! You can't make big leaps with that. It's a good salary with the corresponding tax class, but just average. The only thing that's on top is the shift allowance: nice-to-have, it's nice for a little luxury, but it should and must always be defined separately. As already says: that can disappear very quickly. I myself was also on shift work for 10 years, worked a lot of night shifts and holidays: it didn't make me rich, I couldn't afford an expensive place, but it was good for saving. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have a house now. But boasting about shift work, that's something I haven't read yet. On the one hand, you can't envy shift workers, as their life expectancy is lower, on the other hand, social aspects suffer. The allowance is at least just compensation for "work at unfavorable times," not a qualification feature.
 

Alex85

2017-12-01 08:24:07
  • #2
He didn't write that he has E6, but that this is the lower limit or starting salary.

Nevertheless, you can say goodbye here. The original poster doesn't give the impression of seriously wanting (or being able) to realize a project, but rather builds castles in the air. Today 80sqm smaller, tomorrow 100,000€ more expensive. So what. Thanks to shift allowance.

This reminds me more of career starters who go from 50€ pocket money to 2000€ and think they are moguls. Then they can increase this by 100% through self-destruction and after cigarettes and partying on the weekend, they still have 3000€ left that need to go somewhere.

That is at least my impression. If the original poster wanted to change this, he would have to play with open cards (which is customary here).
 

ruppsn

2017-12-01 09:18:57
  • #3


But you elegantly left out the crucial part of HilfeHilfe’s answer, namely what the good shift worker looks like. But be that as it may.

Not meant to be harsh, more like free feedback to compare your self- and external perception: to me, you come across as quite arrogant and aloof, somewhat naive and disorganized. Sounds harsh, but that’s how it strikes me, which doesn’t mean it has to be that way. Do with the feedback what you want, think about it if you don’t completely not care how you come across, or ignore it if you couldn’t care less. This might come off as pedantic, but that’s not the intention, as I said, it’s not meant maliciously.

I don’t want to say anything about your income etc., I hope you get what you deserve or not. The argument about the shift situation I find remarkable in so far as I would wonder whether a place of that size is then mostly empty or the most used room is the bedroom for regeneration. But of course that’s your business.

Otherwise, I agree with Fuchur, ypg and Alex85. I’m out for now, unfortunately I lack the basis, both factual and personal.
All the best.
 

ypg

2017-12-01 12:59:38
  • #4
I don't think that comes across as arrogant or presumptuous; we've had completely different people here who had just graduated and started at a car company. I rather believe in the naivety, which everyone should be allowed to have. One should just not be resistant to advice, otherwise the disappointment is great.
 

toxicmolotof

2017-12-01 13:05:03
  • #5
I actually keep wondering all the time whether the RE is even reading my lines. Or did I choose white text on a white background?

That would at least explain the complete disinterest in responding.
 

ypg

2017-12-01 13:08:19
  • #6


The bonuses are not earth-shattering and resemble bonuses of other professional groups. The E-table also resembles the TV-L... Ultimately, it is the gross amount. I with E9 (similar) could not afford 1500 € for a house, even if I did shift work. It may be different in another tax class, but it’s not enough to splurge if you also have to support the family.
 
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