Downpipe Fauxpas

  • Erstellt am 2016-08-22 17:48:08

Musketier

2016-08-24 14:37:54
  • #1
Has the acceptance already been completed?
With us, a lot of small defects were also fixed afterwards.

By the way, "your" developer (if this is indeed a developer) seems to be pricing very much at the lower end.
Here is an example from his promotional brochure:

B. Single-family house of your choice
in Magdeburg
110 m2 living space, 490 m2 plot, upscale
equipment, double garage, solar system,
underfloor heating, walk-in shower, and much more
only 179,970.00 €
INCLUDING PLOT
 

Sebastian79

2016-08-24 14:40:59
  • #2
Where did your assessor determine that the shower was not sealed? You can't see that afterwards...

But it's correct, the whole part has to be sealed - floor, floor-to-wall transition, and the wall itself!

A masonry chimney must never stand on the screed... Cables must also not run underneath...
 

Sgt.Lapdance

2016-08-24 14:42:45
  • #3
No, she is not.

How a company calculates is their business.

Whether cheap, inexpensive, or high-priced up to premium.

In Munich, we could then add two more zeros to the purchase price.

I don't even want to write about that.

I paid (for my standards) a very, very large amount of money.

Why do tiles now have to be knocked out again because there is no predetermined breaking point??

I don't understand the logic?!

I can't allow shoddy work in my profession either.

Regarding the shower: ..... there are photos, you can see it there.
 

Sebastian79

2016-08-24 14:44:10
  • #4
Expansion joint or predetermined breaking point?
 

Mycraft

2016-08-24 14:59:30
  • #5
I just want to show you that not everything is as black as you may see and write it.

I can fully understand you, though, the moods are upset and you have also paid a lot of money.

We here have all been through this and no one here can claim their house was built without defects.... nevertheless, so far no junk has been seen but more or less cosmetic defects...(If I were to tell you what kind of defects occurred partially with our neighbors you would have goosebumps... but nonetheless everything was eliminated and we have all been living in the houses for 5 years and have nothing to complain about).

I can also understand where your feeling for accuracy and proper work comes from... unfortunately it works a bit differently in construction than in your job. And even the most capable craftsmen have bad days or it can also be that apprentices were at work (which is completely legitimate) what is not legitimate is that the foreman/site manager then let things pass like that.

What is still out of norm regarding the windows apart from the plaster strips?

For the shower, to protect against moisture, either sealing strips or elephant skin must of course be applied. Who determined that the sealing is missing?

Give me the pictures...

Your general contractor price is, however, very low... that does make you think...

Fireplace on screed and electricity underneath is of course absolutely not acceptable... but leading the Katja cable to the wall and not laying it up is absolutely permissible. Because you have a horizontal barrier, thus the Katja then. You can make a trough... but it is not a must.

Tiles have to come out, because you wrote your expansion joints were tiled over... so one row must come out and the expansion joint must be laid up to the top. This row must then be retiled, as I wrote above.
 

Payday

2016-08-25 14:03:55
  • #6
I also come from the metal industry and can understand your frustration. We have never dared to treat one of our customers the way companies fool builders. On construction sites, only botching and lying according to metal standards happens. If a craftsman speaks up about a justified defect found by the builder, he will lie. As an engineer in planning, I always tell myself that this must be how it is with craftsmen—they simply can’t think ahead. What is done right usually makes up 80-90% of the whole and the whole thing would get about a grade 2 in school grading. But it lacks that certain "finishing touch" that would really make the product good. As a turner, it’s like using a normal drill H7 instead of a reamer H7. The minimum requirement in construction is always that the thing is technically flawless. That means the vapor barrier is airtight, the windows are tight, and rainwater from outside can drain properly, etc. Then comes the visual aspect, which most builders complain about. For example, your crooked downpipe, which is not great just visually. It can be easily fixed here, but don’t believe that anyone will close the hole in the plaster properly without a request. Because thinking ahead is simply not there and the craftsmen don’t care either. I had to complain and have a leaking spot fixed 3 times at the carport. I don’t know if it is tight so far because it hasn’t rained again yet. Cross braces 60 cm long have the glued wood wedge joint 5 cm before the end of the wood. That could also be done better or at least mounted where you don’t see it as much. Instead, the part hangs exactly in the visible area of the covered terrace. That’s exactly what I mean by not thinking ahead. "They’re just craftsmen," is what is always said... furthermore, the builder is just a stupid customer and usually doesn’t come back. In the metal sector, you have only a handful of customers and they always come back—if the quality is right. In construction, this rarely happens, or have you already planned a second house? Relatives warn etc.? The others are no better either... after a few months you no longer see some visual things so critically, they “fade into the background.” Technically, of course, everything must be flawless and especially with sealing issues (water damage is bad), you really have to be picky. But an assessor’s statement “in 2-3 years everything will be black” is not a sound statement. Why, how, what reason? You can claim a lot. Either it’s already not tight now and won’t last 2 days (because water runs out of the sockets on the ground floor) or it fits. Floor-level shower things with tiles are a mega special case anyway.
 

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