Deficiencies in the new construction. Dispute over the amount of withholdings.

  • Erstellt am 2023-03-22 13:50:58

Snowy36

2023-03-22 17:37:17
  • #1
One question to the expert, preferably one from the IHK, doesn't cost much. If it is stainless steel, it doesn't matter. With regular steel, which is actually hardly used anymore, it would be rather unfortunate.
 

KarstenausNRW

2023-03-22 18:38:24
  • #2
I just want to briefly address your "problem" with the steel pipes for the heating riser.

The steel pipes (and also the copper pipes) will outlive both you and your children before they need to be replaced. Steel pipes have, as long as there are no special influences – which also applies to copper – in a closed heating system a practically unlimited lifespan. Even today, in many unsanitary houses from the 19th century (correct, houses from 18XX) the original and fully functional steel pipes can be found.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if an expert states 80 years for copper and 70 years for steel. That is a marginal distinction for your concern. You will most likely not experience the possible defect. So, the necessity to replace the pipe is zero and economically absolutely unjustifiable.

Do yourself a favor and skip the expert. Buy yourself nice things with the money you save, because a) you will be stuck with the costs and b) the expert report will 100% not lead to a replacement.
 

Snowy36

2023-03-22 19:05:16
  • #3
I would then try to come to an agreement with the developer and have peace regarding the other defects.
 

HessamA

2023-03-22 19:41:04
  • #4
There is new information. At the project where we bought, a multi-family house with 7 units was also built. In the multi-family house, they have the same problem. Riser pipes steel instead of copper. The administrator has determined that the buyers withhold €2,000.00 per unit (i.e., €14,000.00 for the entire building) and that an expert report should be prepared.
 

Allthewayup

2023-03-22 20:18:59
  • #5


Finding and fixing 70 defects first is quite an achievement, hats off also to the developer for having corrected most of them.



No one can tell you that without more background info. If an interior door with frame cost 350€ and you now get about a third of the door’s value for a “scratch” for free, that’s good. If it’s a mahogany solid wood door worth 5,000€, of course, you’re worse off. If the defect is purely aesthetic and does not affect function, I find that okay. It would be annoying if every window and door had to be deducted for, then I understand your frustration. If it’s 3-4 throughout the whole house, accept the sums and move on.


Here, the same questions arise: how many walls are affected, how serious are the deviations -> visible with the naked eye, and do they affect fittings or furniture to be mounted on the walls?


You wrote there is a retainage of 2,000€ per other household. Then just join them. Technically, I see no disadvantage for you. 2,000€ is already very reasonable as a difference for the material value.


We had something similar at my parents. It was about 3 sqm that had been “cut off” by the city for about 50 years. I noticed this through planning my new build. I called the building authority and explained the situation. There was an appointment at the building authority, and we discussed the modalities with an employee and that was it. The notary, new surveying, and all other costs as well as a very fair price per sqm were paid by the city. If the city does not come to you, you have to take care of it yourself and arrange it.


That also depends on the scope and degree of the “defect.” The slabs will mostly even out after a few years due to weathering. The joint pattern remains, of course. Could this still be comparatively easily remedied if the slabs only lie on a gravel bed?

I can understand that after being “thrown off” the construction site and the numerous remaining defects, your frustration is great now and you want “justice.” But be glad that it mostly remained with visual differences and nothing in the building physics or technical area is seriously wrong. I can tell you from my own experience that there can be much worse discrepancies when building than what you describe here, and I would gladly swap with you.
 

HoisleBauer22

2023-03-22 21:39:56
  • #6
What kind of unqualified, mocking remarks are these? -> Back to school to learn decency and politeness, for example in ethics class :)
 

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