Comparability of costs Architect vs. General Contractor

So dear forum - the offer from the preferred architect has now arrived.

It is a calculation according to HOAI, fee zone III, and is structured as follows:



Billable costs amount to 380,000 euros net.

For energy consultant services (the architect performs this himself) an additional 4,975€ applies.
For incidental costs, 3% of the contract sum = 1,594.22€ applies (this probably includes travel, postage, etc., is that reasonable?)

In total, this amounts to 54,734.84€ net. From this, a 15% discount is deducted, resulting in 46,524.61€ net, which corresponds to a gross final sum of 55,364.29€.

What do you think? What I notice is that LPH 9 is not included - what could be the reason for that?

Best regards and have a nice weekend!

So dear forum - the offer from the preferred architect has now arrived.

It is a calculation according to HOAI, fee zone III, and is structured as follows:



Chargeable costs are 380,000 euros net.

For energy consulting services (the architect does this himself) there are 4,975€ on top.
For additional costs, 3% of the contract sum = 1,594.22€ (This probably means travel, postage, etc., is that reasonable?)

In total that would be 54,734.84€ net. From this, 15% discount is deducted, resulting in 46,524.61€ net, which gross results in a final sum of 55,364.29€.

What do you think? What I notice is that LPH 9 is not included – what could be the reason for that?

Best regards and have a nice weekend!

Since HOAI has only been a guideline since January, it can be negotiated here.
Overall not a cheap fee compared to the construction costs, but also not exaggerated.

LPH 9 is usually never done.
Read up on the topic of architect/craftsman warranty.
Then you will find the reason. It has to do with the relationship between earnings and liability.

But if the architect appeals to you in terms of gut feeling and philosophy, why not :)

PS: There are HOAI calculators online. Simply calculate yourself

Since the HOAI has only been a guideline since January, negotiation is possible here. Overall, not a cheap fee compared to the construction costs, but also not exaggerated.

These are exactly the HOAI values according to the calculators – but with a 15% discount. Are other architects cheaper than HOAI minus 15%? If yes, we would still build with him (but not anymore at minus 40% or more..)

LPH9 is usually never done. Read up on the topic of architect/craftsman warranty. Then you will find the reason. It is related to the profit/liability ratio.

All clear!

They are exactly the HOAI values according to the calculator - but with a 15% discount. Are other architects cheaper than HOAI minus 15%?

For us, it will come to about 10%. So congratulations ;)

What do you think? What I notice is that phase 9 is not included - what could be the reason for that?

That we are talking about a single-family house?

That we are talking about a single-family house?

Then let me interpret your rhetorical question as an answer and put the words in your mouth: "In the case of a single-family house, it is absolutely not necessary to agree on LPH9"

yes?