Building description and offer city villa 190m2

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nordanney

2025-05-09 09:25:54
  • #1

+/- €3,000 is still the normal case
 

GeraldG

2025-05-09 10:37:37
  • #2
How would you calculate a KFW40 house with 153 sqm of living space, fully basemented (heated) and a garage, using the 3000€/sqm?
 

nordanney

2025-05-09 13:19:40
  • #3

Depends on your wishes, floor plan (bay windows are more expensive, for example), construction type (prefabricated house, monolithic, clinker?) and location (Munich more expensive than Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania). Flat rate at least 153x€3,000 + €100k basement (heated and somewhat finished, like some electrical work, flooring, etc.). Double garage depending on size, construction type (prefabricated garage, masonry, roof…) between €25k and €100k. I would calculate at least €600k plus 10% buffer - without any other info. And of course construction incidentals and outdoor facilities.
 

Hausbau2k25

2025-05-09 14:22:59
  • #4
First of all, many thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble so far to look into the matter. That really helps us a lot. I will now try to respond to you in an orderly manner.



Thank you for your feedback. Indeed, the feeling with the general contractor (GU) so far is very good. A 35-year-old established family business that has many trades in-house – with a small showroom directly on site. We have had really very pleasant conversations here with the owner's son, characterized by absolute transparency as well as willingness/flexibility to implement in many areas. Above all, he was able to answer our questions on a technical/craftsman level (my father is a construction engineer himself (retired) and was also present at the meetings). The construction management would then be carried out by the owner or another employed construction manager.



Especially many thanks to you for your feedback, that really helps us a lot in many respects!

Regarding your points:

Sanitary: On the ground floor only a WC, on the upper floor a bathroom with barrier-free shower – I will take these points into the next conversation/offer revision for clarification (we have already discussed the partition wall as well as the barrier-free shower – at least verbally this was promised as a service)

Stairs: The costs for the stairs are so far the hardest for me to estimate. How we implement this concretely later still requires some further planning. Overall (with GU service) we are already at 20k costs according to my planning. I am optimistic that we can manage with max. +5k since I see some potential savings in the implementation at some points. Otherwise, no continuous handrail and balustrade for the stairs as well as about 4.5m air space. I will also take the point about plastering/facing with me.

Construction electricity/construction water/surveying/utility connection costs/sewage/rainwater/earthworks/photovoltaics: should all be more or less okay, as these have already been regionally coordinated, some points I will still take up for clarification (inspection flaps are planned according to verbal information). I clearly still see potential savings in sewage/rainwater since we can also do this ourselves.

The prices for battery and photovoltaics are currently so low that we should manage very well with it.

Former gravel extraction area, foundation slab comes as high as possible / cheaper reference point, excavation to be well distributed due to levels

Kitchen: We will buy a display kitchen and adjust the floor plan slightly again for it. Storage/setup by us – model found and will be finalized on the weekend. The kitchen leaves no wishes unfulfilled for us and is actually completely beyond what we could have ever dreamed of.



Good hints – we will take some points again for alignment in the next conversation!

Roof overhangs in plastic according to offer description
Ceiling joints – painter’s service (we have a cheap painter available here)
Attic build-out: in the near future as owner’s labor
Statics will be relevant in the next phase; so far it should fit well without major measures in these dimensions, this is also the assessment of the GU
No road closures planned, the area is also well known to the GU – 7 km distance
How is the point about the ventilation system to be understood?

Thanks again for your feedback!



I have deliberately withheld the floor plan so far, as it is only based on our ideas up to now and there will certainly be some deviations in the further planning. Nevertheless, we are largely extremely satisfied with the floor plan. Of course, the meaningfulness is debatable. Where we could save m2 is often quite obvious to us, but not wanted by us at all. The half-landing staircase, of course, brings some spatial disadvantages, but we want exactly this kind of staircase. Likewise, two air spaces are desired, which naturally bring us very little from a living quality perspective – as well as a relatively wide entrance area etc. That is always a question of perspective. I will post the planning again over the weekend because I am sure there are still relevant improvement suggestions from you.



Sounds like two legitimate variants to build to me (depending on the desired standard). In our case, it will be facing brickwork with which we also achieve the EH-40 standard. (see attached offer with additional measures)



This average value is certainly a first good reference and thus justified, but it is of course also very undifferentiated. North/south gradient is not considered. We are building in the commuter belt (5 km) of a northeastern state capital – not exactly a structurally strong region. Also, it is fundamentally logical for me that a house costs less per sqm the larger it is, since things like heating, ventilation system, front door, windows etc. do not have to be adjusted to the same extent; also, the craft services per working hour must be lower with more sqm (travel, setup, preparation etc. are eliminated/reduced). One could list many more points – this is certainly a topic in itself. To push the discussion to the extreme: According to the GU, more sqm in our planning means about 800-1400 euros additional costs per sqm. Of course, the floor plan is decisive for this as well. We have consciously chosen a rectangular floor plan without any recesses. This is known to cause significant additional costs for the shell construction, sealing etc.
 

11ant

2025-05-09 15:43:48
  • #5
That sounds excellent, and very much like the first choice / presumed winner of the comparison. Satisfaction with one's own work is "not uncommon," at least by the fourth iteration. It is not about excuses for deliberately and obviously space-consuming areas; the lay planning's excess square meters are typically rather shy and hidden. I am curious what awaits us.
 

Teimo1988

2025-05-09 20:07:34
  • #6
Regarding the podium staircase, I can currently share experiences. The staircase goes from the ground floor to the upper floor and then to the attic, so over 2 floors, and is 1 meter wide. The precast concrete part, including installation by the shell construction company, cost around €7k gross. Tiling the stairs and landings with 120x60 cm tiles cost about the same amount again. Stainless steel railing is around €4.5k including installation by the locksmith. As a DIY project, it is definitely feasible for around €2-2.5k. The staircase remains in exposed concrete look, as it is a staircase in a two-family house. Quite some € adds up for such a staircase...
 

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