Air-water heat pump combined with underfloor heating does not work properly

  • Erstellt am 2021-09-22 15:34:26

guckuck2

2021-10-08 09:41:21
  • #1


Misunderstanding. You can also run the air-to-water heat pump unoptimized, so it costs 10€ more per month "and heats." No problem at all. That is probably the case for most.

As already written, "just turning it up" is not a lost performance feature attributable to the heat pump. Rather, it is the result of underfloor heating with low flow temperatures. It would be no different with a gas heating system.
If the bathroom is supposed to be as overheated as the ground floor with the stove, then the bathroom probably needs a stove. Or something comparable.
 

Tolentino

2021-10-08 09:41:45
  • #2
Actually, you're right and one really has to say that the heat pump manufacturers have pretty much dropped the ball here. Something like a thermal balancing is actually a prime example of what a relatively simple algorithm (it doesn't even have to be machine learning) could automatically regulate. With combustion engines, the development of control electronics has reduced consumption by about 30% (?) over the last 20 years. Why shouldn't that be possible with a heat pump... : Didn't you hint at working for a heat pump manufacturer now? You could suggest that... : That's true too, but what is missing is that the heat pump has a much steeper efficiency curve. So the efficiency drops much more drastically at higher temperature differences than with a gas boiler.
 

RotorMotor

2021-10-08 09:48:12
  • #3
As already mentioned several times, the inertia is more due to the insulation and mass of the underfloor heating than the heat generator (heat pump, gas, district heating, ...). A remedy here can be an infrared or electric heater or preferably a sweater.
 

Alessandro

2021-10-08 10:29:38
  • #4
The problem is not the systems, but the installers! It starts with the heating load calculation and ends with the hydraulic balancing. No installer can afford to send his people to training, further education, etc., due to time constraints. 90% still install gas and oil heating systems. 90% of homeowners are not interested in the setting of the heat pump either. The main thing is that it gets warm. They happily run with flow temperatures of 40°C, cycle 30 times a day, and waste energy.

: yes, I work for a heat pump manufacturer. There are now apps for heating load calculation, underfloor heating design, and hydraulic balancing. But they are only used by the rather younger installers.

You have to tell the installer or the general contractor exactly what you want during planning and also record it contractually. But which builder actually does that?

Important for the gentle operation of a heat pump is only the minimum flow rate. Compressor starts can be around 20 times a day without problems. Then the machines should still run smoothly for 20 years. The average air-water heat pump runtime per cycle is about 25 minutes, which is perfectly fine.

Actually, a heat pump belongs in the electrical engineering trade.
 

_Ugeen_

2021-10-08 11:03:12
  • #5

Unfortunately not, but I could certainly inquire about that.


That means where I defined or set my maximum heat per room after the thermal balancing, I turn the temperature controller up to max. Unless I want it a bit cooler in a room, then I regulate the temperature down. Is that correct?

Honestly, I find it an imposition that they’ve imposed this on us as builders. I want to make my life easier, not more complicated.
 

Snowy36

2021-10-08 11:12:29
  • #6
But then a quick question: with which technology does it cost me more money to drive inefficiently? I had the feeling that 2 degrees more supply temperature or a poorly regulated setting in underfloor heating and air-water heat pump has more impact than with gas?
 

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